This is war?

[Luther]

1 hour ago, George said:

As I've said before, I would watch my video, Will the Real Elijah Stand Up?  I do believe that there is a FALSE ELIJAH coming ... and this is HOW Jewish people will be deceived into believing the false messiah.  However, this DOES NOT change our response to how we treat the Jewish people, and understand our prophetic role to speak salvation through Yeshua into their lives!

Honestly, I would watch the video ... it will really help you understand how the deception is coming ... this is from someone who has spent over 20 years in Israel preaching the gospel in the Holy Land.

 

 

I will watch your video.

But please allow me to re- iterate my position. I have absolutely no malice towards anyone, including people of Jewish descent. 

I also acknowledge the fact that there are Jews that do not practice judaism, and would go so far as renouncing it's teachings. A prime example would be the Kairites, who do not accept the talmud in their observance of the Torah. 

So with the exceptions aside, the goal of talmudic Judaism is world governance, and you don't have to dig deeply to find all this out. What I'm saying may be shocking to many ( as it was to me), but their idea of a " messianic kingdom" is not good ( putting it very mildly) for the non- Jew. 

You see the irony? They are planning a kingdom on earth  (because they have no hope of eternal life) in which the  "goyim" ( non- jews that are considered  animals, not humans) will serve them.

And we  (many Christians) believe that they are going to be saved after we are  "raptured", followed by a millennial kingdom promised to them. 

So in reality, the goals of the talmud are being kept, while the "shabbos goyim" are ecstaticly complicit. 

But I must say that in all of this, God's will is being accomplished. I talk a lot about this subject because my hope is that we're all going to be on the right side of this. 

 

[Daniel whalen]

52 minutes ago, Luther said:

You said: " You better be VERY careful who you support 

Do you love God or Satan?

You will have to give a account of your actions"

I support the cause of righteousness, and anyone who believes that mass genocide is the answer is not on God's side. 

I have looked at a lot of your post's and I am convinced you support Hamas and terrorist 

Say what you like and will I believe you support Satan and you can not change my mind about it 

All I can do is pray for you and that is it 

I pray that you will see the light and turn away from evil 

You can quote as many Bible verses as you want but I can not care less 

Satan rebel against God and was cursed but God and cast to earth 

He loves to take God's word out of context and twist it to prove for his purpose's 

 

[George]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

So with the exceptions aside, the goal of talmudic Judaism is world governance, and you don't have to dig deeply to find all this out. What I'm saying may be shocking to many ( as it was to me), but their idea of a " messianic kingdom" is not good ( putting it very mildly) for the non- Jew. 

And you have a point ... it's a "Babylonian" Judaism, and it seeks to upend everything.  Despite all of this ... the crazy thing is ... even in their REJECTION of the Messiah, and their ACCEPTANCE of the anti-Messiah ... They will come to realize their error ... and RETURN to their MESSIAH!

The question remains ... are you helping that prophetic reality helping in restoring them to their Messiah?

The Jewish people are fighting a demonic kingdom that is trying to destroy them from WITHOUT and WITHIN ... both physically, and also spiritually! 

Through Islam and its teachings, the Jews are infidels and must be eradicated ... the forces in the physical.  Along with this, the rise of antisemitism ... bringing forth a different set of prophecies.

But also spiritually through their rejection of their Messiah because of their Rabbis.

And despite all of this ... God will SURELY SAVE THEM ... and its through all of this ... that the ENTIRE world will TRULY KNOW GOD and HIS FAITHFULNESS!

The story of the Jewish people, their rejection, their failures, will soon become the greatest story ever told, because of it will truly magnify the GOD we serve!  :)

 

[Edward429451]

2 hours ago, Luther said:

But please allow me to re- iterate my position. I have absolutely no malice towards anyone, including people of Jewish descent. 

 

Nevertheless, several of your posts didn't carry that tone and rang like, decidedly anti-Israel. So it's good to hear you talk like this. 

[Luther]

3 hours ago, Daniel whalen said:

I have looked at a lot of your post's and I am convinced you support Hamas and terrorist 

Say what you like and will I believe you support Satan and you can not change my mind about it 

All I can do is pray for you and that is it 

I pray that you will see the light and turn away from evil 

You can quote as many Bible verses as you want but I can not care less 

Satan rebel against God and was cursed but God and cast to earth 

He loves to take God's word out of context and twist it to prove for his purpose's 

 

Let me ask you a question if you don't mind, before you lay this charge at my feet. Do you have any idea what Judaism teaches?

[Luther]

2 hours ago, George said:

And you have a point ... it's a "Babylonian" Judaism, and it seeks to upend everything.  Despite all of this ... the crazy thing is ... even in their REJECTION of the Messiah, and their ACCEPTANCE of the anti-Messiah ... They will come to realize their error ... and RETURN to their MESSIAH!

The question remains ... are you helping that prophetic reality helping in restoring them to their Messiah?

The Jewish people are fighting a demonic kingdom that is trying to destroy them from WITHOUT and WITHIN ... both physically, and also spiritually! 

Through Islam and its teachings, the Jews are infidels and must be eradicated ... the forces in the physical.  Along with this, the rise of antisemitism ... bringing forth a different set of prophecies.

But also spiritually through their rejection of their Messiah because of their Rabbis.

And despite all of this ... God will SURELY SAVE THEM ... and its through all of this ... that the ENTIRE world will TRULY KNOW GOD and HIS FAITHFULNESS!

The story of the Jewish people, their rejection, their failures, will soon become the greatest story ever told, because of it will truly magnify the GOD we serve!  :)

 

But George, over and over again I've made the distinction in how my support for "Israel" differs from yours. 

You say: "The question remains ... are you helping that prophetic reality helping in restoring them to their Messiah?"

 If my helping is to pray for and declare the gospel truth to those who remain to be saved,  the "Israel of God", by all means yes. Jesus Christ is the Messiah of all nations, all people. He's our Messiah. 

You said: " The story of the Jewish people, their rejection, their failures, will soon become the greatest story ever told,"

The greatest story ever told is God coming to earth to demonstrate His love for His people. 

[Luther]

1 hour ago, Edward429451 said:

 

Nevertheless, several of your posts didn't carry that tone and rang like, decidedly anti-Israel. So it's good to hear you talk like this. 

Oh, then I surely apologize.  I don't agree with what many Jews believe, but I also don't agree with many of the ultra Orthodox Muslims as well. But in general  the majority of the followers of both religions are not going over the top to gain control over others with their doctrinal beliefs. 

It's the supremecists in any group that cause the damage, the imbalance of harmony. Unfortunately they have the means to aquire the power necessary for tyrannical purposes at worst, division or disharmony at the least. 

I know there are many Jews in Israel that do not want this war. 

And even if I don't believe the  teaching of the literal millennial kingdom, I'm not looking at the people involved any differently. I would want them to be saved regardless. 

How about this....just recently I discovered that my last name is the Americanized version of " Goren", which is of Polish/ Russian Ashkenazi Jewish origin. Not kidding. Growing up I never really heard much detail about my father's side of the tree. Why did they have to change the name? " Goren" is much easier to pronounce!

 

 

[kwikphilly]

5 hours ago, Luther said:

Oh, then I surely apologize.  I don't agree with what many Jews believe, but I also don't agree with many of the ultra Orthodox Muslims as well. But in general  the majority of the followers of both religions are not going over the top to gain control over others with their doctrinal beliefs. 

It's the supremecists in any group that cause the damage, the imbalance of harmony. Unfortunately they have the means to aquire the power necessary for tyrannical purposes at worst, division or disharmony at the least. 

I know there are many Jews in Israel that do not want this war. 

And even if I don't believe the  teaching of the literal millennial kingdom, I'm not looking at the people involved any differently. I would want them to be saved regardless. 

How about this....just recently I discovered that my last name is the Americanized version of " Goren", which is of Polish/ Russian Ashkenazi Jewish origin. Not kidding. Growing up I never really heard much detail about my father's side of the tree. Why did they have to change the name? " Goren" is much easier to pronounce!

 

 

Blessings Luther

I've not read all,probably not even " most" of the posts in this Thread but from what I have read I think I may understand where you are coming from- without getting into religious Doctrines & who believes what it just seems to me that's not even your point,you are grieved by people killing people,casualties of war with whom you believe are innocent men, women &children- does that about sum it up? Can't say I would disagree with that except that I have no idea if what we are lead to believe is what really is.... I'm not an eye witness,are you?

Personally I don't believe most of what is fed to us on the news,by investigative journalists,reporters,commentators and least of all- bloggers of little renowned with big opinions and zero credible resources. And as far as what is shown in videos or even " live" footage as they claim I may believe half .....but one thing is for certain,lives are lost- for what? A strip of land?

Well,George is there and has seen and heard firsthand  so I would tend to  believe what he says he has witnessed..... and even more importantly he knows better than most about living in Israel,the atmosphere and general mindset of her peoples.Nothing annoys me more than a foreigner living in another Country telling me how Americans think,live and what " they" believe in judging solely on the propaganda they are fed regarding our Govt or politics in general

So are we talking about " war" or race,religion or agenda..... the agenda of course is Written in the Scriptures,mankind is pretty insignificant whether they believe they are carrying out their own agenda or not,they are not but the condition of EACH man's heart is Known by God,races,religious groups and organizagions will not be Judged,individuals will and each man will either stand at the Mercy Seat of Christ or before the Great White Throne

The reason I'm even posting is to ask you- what would you hope for? How would you resolve this conflict? How would you want Isreal to respond to being attacked ? Or a much simpler question,what if it were your home and family?What is the answer to have  Peace- well,haven't you read,there is none really,not on this earth and any peace found amongst the nations and it's people are only temporary anyway just as this life is on this earth.....for now

I just really don't get it when anyone cannot understand that death is not the worst thing that can happen to a person-

If there are truly " innocent " lives lost then they've not been lost at all- do you really Believe our Mighty God would Allow anyone to die without an opportunity to choose Him or do you Believe someone other than HIM has the Power to decide their Eternal fate,to take that choice from them... I can't believe it,God is Just

Well,it's only  my 2 cents- I hate war,evil and violence but if innocent blood is shed then they will Receive their Just Reward

I understand you hate war but blaming all of Israel for protecting herself is a bit much- what did you think about Hiroshima & Pearl Harbor?

 

By the way,I'm just really curious to understand your reason behind this Thread, I'm not really seeing what message your trying to deliver or the purpose of the Topic- I'm interested in understanding peoples motivations,hopes etc....or maybe " venting "❤️

With love in Christ,Kwik

 

[Luther]

14 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Luther

I've not read all,probably not even " most" of the posts in this Thread but from what I have read I think I may understand where you are coming from- without getting into religious Doctrines & who believes what it just seems to me that's not even your point,you are grieved by people killing people,casualties of war with whom you believe are innocent men, women &children- does that about sum it up? Can't say I would disagree with that except that I have no idea if what we are lead to believe is what really is.... I'm not an eye witness,are you?

Personally I don't believe most of what is fed to us on the news,by investigative journalists,reporters,commentators and least of all- bloggers of little renowned with big opinions and zero credible resources. And as far as what is shown in videos or even " live" footage as they claim I may believe half .....but one thing is for certain,lives are lost- for what? A strip of land?

Well,George is there and has seen and heard firsthand  so I would tend to  believe what he says he has witnessed..... and even more importantly he knows better than most about living in Israel,the atmosphere and general mindset of her peoples.Nothing annoys me more than a foreigner living in another Country telling me how Americans think,live and what " they" believe in judging solely on the propaganda they are fed regarding our Govt or politics in general

So are we talking about " war" or race,religion or agenda..... the agenda of course is Written in the Scriptures,mankind is pretty insignificant whether they believe they are carrying out their own agenda or not,they are not but the condition of EACH man's heart is Known by God,races,religious groups and organizagions will not be Judged,individuals will and each man will either stand at the Mercy Seat of Christ or before the Great White Throne

The reason I'm even posting is to ask you- what would you hope for? How would you resolve this conflict? How would you want Isreal to respond to being attacked ? Or a much simpler question,what if it were your home and family?What is the answer to have  Peace- well,haven't you read,there is none really,not on this earth and any peace found amongst the nations and it's people are only temporary anyway just as this life is on this earth.....for now

I just really don't get it when anyone cannot understand that death is not the worst thing that can happen to a person-

If there are truly " innocent " lives lost then they've not been lost at all- do you really Believe our Mighty God would Allow anyone to die without an opportunity to choose Him or do you Believe someone other than HIM has the Power to decide their Eternal fate,to take that choice from them... I can't believe it,God is Just

Well,it's only  my 2 cents- I hate war,evil and violence but if innocent blood is shed then they will Receive their Just Reward

I understand you hate war but blaming all of Israel for protecting herself is a bit much- what did you think about Hiroshima & Pearl Harbor?

 

By the way,I'm just really curious to understand your reason behind this Thread, I'm not really seeing what message your trying to deliver or the purpose of the Topic- I'm interested in understanding peoples motivations,hopes etc....or maybe " venting "❤️

With love in Christ,Kwik

 

Thank you. My personal belief is that all of the major wars in recent history never had to happen. They were caused by a ruling class of elites that financially control both sides of the battlefield, in return for promises of land ( Balfour declaration for example) or wealth and yes even the depopulation of the   "useless eaters" through the loss of young men in war. 

I in no way believe that God has any blessing in war. Whatever we make of the Old Testament, that's the Old Testament. No one has a holy unction from God to destroy civilizations, regardless of what they believe . 

My main concern would be how we should value life as God would want us to, plain and simple. Obviously no one who is Godly is in control of what's going on.

And my next concern is more of a sad amazement of the mindset of most Christians regarding these wars. And at the same time I can see why. It's a doctrinal deception brought upon the church by the same warmongering elites that think they are going to establish a kingdom of their own , which will be a great surprise to the Christians supporting them because they ain't going to be welcome in their kingdom. 

So yeah, I see a lot going on, and I guess I'm trying to warn everyone caught up in this. AT LEAST BE ON THE LORD'S SIDE and stop supporting murderers. 

There is no future glory for national Israel. It is a great deception. Preach the gospel to them NOW. Today is the day of salvation.

[Orion]

19 hours ago, Luther said:

God is USING ISRAEL to free Gaza from Hamas. God is USING ISRAEL to free Lebanon from Hezbollah. God is USING ISRAEL to free Iran from the Ayatollahs. 

 

And of course I disagree. I'm a Christian that agrees with most of humanity in our correct observation that Israel is committing one atrocity after another WITHOUT God's blessing.

God knows, oh He knows all of this is going to happen, but it's not because "He's the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" fighting for " his people" in a promise he has yet to deliver. 

These people in Israel have nothing to do with Bible prophecy like the Christian Church has been indoctrinated to believe ( by the same people). 

They are talmudic supremacists that completely, completely reject God. I know about their religion. I'm surprised you never questioned my remarks on the talmud. I'm sure you know what it is. Not even the most liberal person on this planet would  be comfortable with it's contents. 

So while many of you are looking for some divine fulfillment to occur IN ORDER for Christ to come, I, along with the rest of the world are witnessing the children of the devil ( whom the  Lord Jesus spoke of on many occasions)  about to have full control of this world, and place THEIR Messiah in the temple simply because it's what their " bible" teaches them. 

And I have the full support of Scripture. Who do you think is preparing the environment for the " son of perdition" in 2 Thessalonians 2?  Who really is the whore of Babylon? 

Some people are looking at what's going on in Israel as a good thing because it means that soon they're going to be raptured. So they glance over the fact that all of these innocents are being murdered (for ever losing the hope of salvation) and say to themselves.... Well, it's too bad , but it's for a good cause ... Jesus is coming!

I believe the nature of that callousness to be no different than the plight of the terrorists. 

 

 

 

 

I do agree that Israel is vastly secular and most of its inhabitants godless atheists. But God has Christ's evangelists in Israel, reaching one Jew at a time with the gospel message, and lifting the blindfold of many being saved by it.  Organizations like So Be It, One For Israel, Jews for Jesus, and others are reaching Jews and Arabs in Israel with the Truth. 

Don't give up hope. Even if Gaza becomes an extended version of Tel Aviv, or becomes the Las Vegas of Israel, God's will prevails regardless, God's faithfulness is greater. Peace