You can tell a lot about a person by the books they read.

[unworthyservant]

18 minutes ago, Orion said:

Which begs the question, since the trans community and its advocates claim sex at birth does not define gender:  Then how does surgery (mutilation) confirm it?

 

Did you read the NIH report? There's way more to it than you're simplistic description and I'm not going to go into all the details. Suffice it to say that since Christ didn't involve Himself in what the Government thought about sin, neither should we. "Judge not lest ye be judged".

 

22 minutes ago, Orion said:

You'd be wrong. God hates all workers of iniquity.

You quote one verse from the Psalm. God loves everyone, but He hates the actions of those who "work iniquity". I don't take that to mean that God hates the person but rather hates what they are doing.

[unworthyservant]

8 minutes ago, Orion said:

Then if you are referring to Salem News out of Danvers, you're referring to a left wing, at the very least left of center, publication. 

Oh, my. I quit. You can't debate with someone who doesn't read or acknowledge your response. I believe I listed some of the shows on the Salem News, such as the Lara Trump Show, the Larry Elder Show, etc. Are those shows on the Salem News, a tiny publication out of Southern Essex county?

[Orion]

28 minutes ago, unworthyservant said:

They trumpet how it's an abomination to the Lord and how it was punishable by death in the Old Testament. I hear very few who preach how a proud heart and a lying tongue are also an abomination to the Lord. I also rarely hear them preach that being divorced and remarried is adultery according to Christ and adultery was also punishable by death in the Old Testament.

This is what happens in many pulpits across the globe where homosexual LGBT has gained a foothold:

PASTOR # 1:  I want to tell you of a conversation I had with a homosexual who wanted to know more about the Christian faith. He asked if he could be a 'gay Christian' because he loves fornicating with his boyfriend so much he could never leave him.  So I told him, as long as he receives Yeshua in his heart, he can be as much of a fornicating homosexual as he wants to be.   

Then there's this pastor:

PASTOR # 2:   I want to tell you of a conversation I had with a wife beater who wanted to know more about the Christian faith. He asked if he could be a 'wife beating Christian' because he loves beating his wife so much he could never consider stopping.  So I told him, as long as he receives Yeshua in his heart, he can be a wife beater as much as he desires. 

Do you see the distinction?   Yeah, PASTOR # 2 never happens.  But PASTOR #1 happens all the time. 

The sinful LGBT community has organized themselves to the point that they got one thing, then they pushed for and got another, and then another, and another. Now governments are bending over backwards to accommodate every demand they make, including forcing children to be taught the LGBT agenda, the removal of children from their parents if the parents refuse to affirm their minor child's transgenderism, or refuse to use preferred pronouns.  

Do you think sinful wife beaters could organize to the same extent and receive the same glad-hand welcoming that the sinful LGBT have received?

 

Edited April 26 by Orion

[Orion]

21 minutes ago, unworthyservant said:

Did you read the NIH report? There's way more to it than you're simplistic description and I'm not going to go into all the details. Suffice it to say that since Christ didn't involve Himself in what the Government thought about sin, neither should we. "Judge not lest ye be judged".

 

You quote one verse from the Psalm. God loves everyone, but He hates the actions of those who "work iniquity". I don't take that to mean that God hates the person but rather hates what they are doing.

Unrepentant sinners (PEOPLE) go to hell, the LOF.  

[Orion]

37 minutes ago, unworthyservant said:

Did Christ speak out in defiance of these laws? No!

You don't know with any degree of certainty whether Yeshua spoke out about all that you cited.  You are forgetting or simply dismissing John 21:25.  

Furthermore, Jesus taught to love our neighbor, and live one another as He loves us. Anything that destroys life, such as exposing an unwanted child to beast or to the elements, is absolutely diametrical to the teachings of Jesus.  So, YES,  Jesus did teach in defiance of those laws and deeds you cited. 

Edited April 26 by Orion

[unworthyservant]

27 minutes ago, Orion said:

You don't know with any degree of certainty whether Yeshua spoke out about all that you cited.  You are forgetting or simply dismissing John 21:25.  

Furthermore, Jesus taught to love our neighbor, and live one another as He loves us. Anything that destroys life, such as exposing an unwanted child to beast or to the elements, is absolutely diametrical to the teachings of Jesus.  So, YES,  Jesus did teach in defiance of those laws and deeds you cited. 

I can only go on what was recorded in the Gospels as to what Jesus taught or did. If you want to speculate on things he may have said that aren't recorded, then how do you know what those things were? If Jesus did teach defiance to those laws, please provide where in the Gospels it is recorded and what He said. You present a lot of proclamations with little documentation. Please provide documentation that Christ spoke in defiance of those laws. (BTW, He also taught us to love our enemies).

[Orion]

33 minutes ago, unworthyservant said:

I can only go on what was recorded in the Gospels as to what Jesus taught or did. If you want to speculate on things he may have said that aren't recorded, then how do you know what those things were? If Jesus did teach defiance to those laws, please provide where in the Gospels it is recorded and what He said. You present a lot of proclamations with little documentation. Please provide documentation that Christ spoke in defiance of those laws. (BTW, He also taught us to love our enemies).

Your need is to see it expressly written in order for you to believe it's God's absolute truth.  When Yeshua said that the two greatest commands are to love God with all of our heart mind and soul, and to love others as ourselves, He was condensing the Ten Commandments into two: 1 2 3 and 4 as to loving God, and 5 6 7 8 9 and 10 as to loving others. In addition, Yeshua commands "all things whatsoever ye would that men shall do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." (Matt. 7:12; see, also, Luke 6:31).

Flowing from those commands is the defiance of Yeshua to all of the evil of man. If you don't see that, perhaps meditate on it some until you do. Peace

 

[unworthyservant]

Just now, Orion said:

Your need is to see it expressly written in order for you to believe it's God's absolute truth.

Yes. I don't like to read between the lines or assume anything that's not recorded. That's what causes one to lose focus. And speaking of focus, I'm also tired of debating things that have nothing to do with anything other than your seeming need to take the conversation to the absurd. You'll not divert my focus any longer than it takes to write a simple answer. If you haven't got the idea by now, I don't see anything I can do to open your eyes. So, while I don't mind answering serious minded questions that are presented with evidence to bolster their authenticity, I'm going to have to quit answering those that are nothing but ramblings with no substance for awhile as it is tiring. 

[Orion]

56 minutes ago, unworthyservant said:

(BTW, He also taught us to love our enemies).

Yes, of course. How do we love our enemies but by speaking the truth in love, and through charitable giving of time and resources.  But never are we to affirm someone's sin and call it loving, for doing so is an act of hate. 

[Orion]

1 minute ago, unworthyservant said:

I'm going to have to quit answering those that are nothing but ramblings with no substance for awhile as it is tiring. 

You must have been rereading your own posts to make that response. Peace