Already Delivered

[WordSword]

Many Christians are unaware that they are forgiven for all their sins! Otherwise Scripture could not state that we are already like Jesus (1Jo 4:17). Not in His sinlessness but in His guiltlessness! He knows you don’t want to sin, as Paul was delivered from desiring sin (Rom 7:15, 16, 19, 20, 21), he did not want to sin.

Such is the Christian, already delivered from all sin, because God knows we do not want to sin, but “please” Him (Phl 2:13). If God is not “working“ this “in you,” you aren’t saved yet—you have not been “born again” yet.

Once we are saved God starts “conforming” us to the “image” (walk) of the Lord Jesus (Rom 8:29). This means everyone saved will mature and grow in Christ in the way they live! When we sin we need not ask for forgiveness but instead thank Him for His permanent forgiveness (Heb 10:12). All His “forgiveness” was given at the point of rebirth (1Jn 1:9). He doesn’t have to keep forgiving over and over, it’s “once for all” (Heb 10:10).

There is never a time we aren’t forgiven. This of course concerns only not sinning “willfully” (Heb 10:26). If we intentionally sin it manifests we are unsaved, and do not want to give up the sin. God knows we want to “please Him,” and living without intentional sin is His goal for us. Living this way doesn’t gain salvation—it is a free gift of God (Eph 2:8). He will have only holy believers living for Him!

It of course is the most marvelous thing that we do not owe God for salvation. The Lord Jesus’ sacrifices makes us deserving and “worthy” (Col 1:10; 1Co 11:27; Rev 3:4; 16:6). Remember, Christians have everything the Lord Jesus has, for they are continually being “conformed to Christ’s “image.”
 

[PATrobas]

20 minutes ago, WordSword said:

Many Christians are unaware that they are forgiven for all their sins! Otherwise Scripture could not state that we are already like Jesus (1Jo 4:17). Not in His sinlessness but in His guiltlessness! He knows you don’t want to sin, as Paul was delivered from desiring sin (Rom 7:15, 16, 19, 20, 21), he did not want to sin.

Such is the Christian, already delivered from all sin, because God knows we do not want to sin, but “please” Him (Phl 2:13). If God is not “working“ this “in you,” you aren’t saved yet—you have not been “born again” yet.

Once we are saved God starts “conforming” us to the “image” (walk) of the Lord Jesus (Rom 8:29). This means everyone saved will mature and grow in Christ in the way they live! When we sin we need not ask for forgiveness but instead thank Him for His permanent forgiveness (Heb 10:12). All His “forgiveness” was given at the point of rebirth (1Jn 1:9). He doesn’t have to keep forgiving over and over, it’s “once for all” (Heb 10:10).

There is never a time we aren’t forgiven. This of course concerns only not sinning “willfully” (Heb 10:26). If we intentionally sin it manifests we are unsaved, and do not want to give up the sin. God knows we want to “please Him,” and living without intentional sin is His goal for us. Living this way doesn’t gain salvation—it is a free gift of God (Eph 2:8). He will have only holy believers living for Him!

It of course is the most marvelous thing that we do not owe God for salvation. The Lord Jesus’ sacrifices makes us deserving and “worthy” (Col 1:10; 1Co 11:27; Rev 3:4; 16:6). Remember, Christians have everything the Lord Jesus has, for they are continually being “conformed to Christ’s “image.”
 

I agree that all you say pertains to "us" as the new man. The born again man. The spiritual man. As 1 John 3:9 tells us "we" (new man) cannot sin. But we are still in these bodies which still want to sin. My flesh only wants to please itself. My new man wants to please God, my flesh wants to please itself. Thus, what Paul fought in Rom. 7. The verses you didn't reference 7:17, 18, 23, 24 tell of this battle. Thus, Gal. 5:16 if we walk "in the Spirit, we won't fulfill the lust of the flesh." But we (at least I) go back and forth from walking in the Spirit to walking after the flesh at times. when I sin, the HS convicts me and I agree with Him that it is sin and thank Him for the blood of Jesus that has cleansed me at the cross, and then I move on with Him in fellowship. maybe this is what you meant anyway...correct me if not, but this is how i see it and walk with Him.

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, WordSword said:

Many Christians are unaware that they are forgiven for all their sins! Otherwise Scripture could not state that we are already like Jesus (1Jo 4:17).

Not in His sinlessness but in His guiltlessness!

He knows you don’t want to sin, as Paul was delivered from desiring sin (Rom 7:15, 16, 19, 20, 21), he did not want to sin.

Such is the Christian, already delivered from all sin, because God knows we do not want to sin, but “please” Him (Phl 2:13). If God is not “working“ this “in you,” you aren’t saved yet—you have not been “born again” yet.

Once we are saved God starts “conforming” us to the “image” (walk) of the Lord Jesus (Rom 8:29). This means everyone saved will mature and grow in Christ in the way they live! When we sin we need not ask for forgiveness but instead thank Him for His permanent forgiveness (Heb 10:12). All His “forgiveness” was given at the point of rebirth (1Jn 1:9). He doesn’t have to keep forgiving over and over, it’s “once for all” (Heb 10:10).

There is never a time we aren’t forgiven. This of course concerns only not sinning “willfully” (Heb 10:26). If we intentionally sin it manifests we are unsaved, and do not want to give up the sin. God knows we want to “please Him,” and living without intentional sin is His goal for us. Living this way doesn’t gain salvation—it is a free gift of God (Eph 2:8). He will have only holy believers living for Him!

It of course is the most marvelous thing that we do not owe God for salvation. The Lord Jesus’ sacrifices makes us deserving and “worthy” (Col 1:10; 1Co 11:27; Rev 3:4; 16:6). Remember, Christians have everything the Lord Jesus has, for they are continually being “conformed to Christ’s “image.”
 

You do not mean it but your post is very difficult and it seems that you are not very sure what you're saying. Speaking against Scripture when you are questioning others faith in Jesus Christ. 

Others who believe in Jesus Christ. You come to them with a judgment to make them confuse that they may not belong to Jesus Christ. Even that they are lost. Doctrines vs faith in Jesus Christ. 

[warrior12]

3 hours ago, WordSword said:

There is never a time we aren’t forgiven. This of course concerns only not sinning “willfully” (Heb 10:26). If we intentionally sin it manifests we are unsaved, and do not want to give up the sin. God knows we want to “please Him,” and living without intentional sin is His goal for us. Living this way doesn’t gain salvation—it is a free gift of God (Eph 2:8). He will have only holy believers living for Him!

So then, how do you define "sin" as to your understanding. The bible states that it is the transgression of  the laws of God. Alright then, but how do you judge what someone does is a sin, or do you take what you perceive to be sin as the verdict ?.   

I found the below from "biblestudytools.com" quick reference dictionary.  You can search for "sin" there.  It is interesting.  Below is the first paragraph.

Sin is a riddle, a mystery, a reality that eludes definition and comprehension. Perhaps we most often think of sin as wrongdoing or transgression of God's law. Sin includes a failure to do what is right. But sin also offends people; it is violence and lovelessness toward other people, and ultimately, rebellion against God. Further, the Bible teaches that sin involves a condition in which the heart is corrupted and inclined toward evil. The concept of sin is complex, and the terminology large and varied so that it may be best to look at the reality of sin in the Pentateuch first, then reflect theologically.

Edited April 26 by warrior12

[Michael37]

5 hours ago, WordSword said:

There is never a time we aren’t forgiven.

There are always consequences for sin.

Sin separates sinners and saints from God's grace.

This does not mean that the saint that sins loses their salvation, but it does mean they are at risk of chastisement.

The Seven Letters to the Churches in the Book of Revelation addresses the need to repent of sin.

Rev 3:19  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Only a proud person, and Christians can become proud, refuses to humble themselves before God and throw themselves on His mercy to be restored to His grace.

The prodigal son had to repent and return to his father to receive his forgiveness.

1Jn 1:5-10  This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.  (6)  If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:  (7)  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.  (8)  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.  (9)  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.  (10)  If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

[AnOrangeCat]

29 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

The Seven Letters to the Churches in the Book of Revelation addresses the need to repent of sin.

Rev 3:19  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Only a proud person, and Christians can become proud, refuses to humble themselves before God and throw themselves on His mercy to be restored to His grace.

Agreed entirely. In both the OT and the New we see calls to repent and calls to be humble. While I do agree with the OP premise that we're covered I find the act itself to be important, both because the call is there and because the process of repentance and asking for forgiveness helps keep us humble. James tells us that faith without works (actions) is dead. Consequently my belief is that repentance is both scriptural and benefits us in several ways.

[WordSword]

On 4/25/2025 at 9:34 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

You do not mean it but your post is very difficult and it seems that you are not very sure what you're saying. Speaking against Scripture when you are questioning others faith in Jesus Christ. 

Others who believe in Jesus Christ. You come to them with a judgment to make them confuse that they may not belong to Jesus Christ. Even that they are lost. Doctrines vs faith in Jesus Christ. 

Thanks for the kind reply. It may be a bit difficult to understand what I mean, but being already delivered just means you're already forgive, because it's not like God has to keep forgiving us over and over. That's the intent of 1Jn 1:9; "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." He only has to do it once, and He knows we just want to "please" Him (Phl 2:13).

It's "willful" sins that He teaches us to discontinue (Heb 10:26).

[WordSword]

On 4/25/2025 at 6:26 PM, PATrobas said:

I agree that all you say pertains to "us" as the new man. The born again man. The spiritual man. As 1 John 3:9 tells us "we" (new man) cannot sin. But we are still in these bodies which still want to sin. My flesh only wants to please itself. My new man wants to please God, my flesh wants to please itself. Thus, what Paul fought in Rom. 7. The verses you didn't reference 7:17, 18, 23, 24 tell of this battle. Thus, Gal. 5:16 if we walk "in the Spirit, we won't fulfill the lust of the flesh." But we (at least I) go back and forth from walking in the Spirit to walking after the flesh at times. when I sin, the HS convicts me and I agree with Him that it is sin and thank Him for the blood of Jesus that has cleansed me at the cross, and then I move on with Him in fellowship. maybe this is what you meant anyway...correct me if not, but this is how i see it and walk with Him.

Hi and thanks for the reply! Yes, in our new man we do not sin. To me, sinning is doing it "willfully" (Heb 10:26). It's not our bodies that sin but our "old man" using the body wrongfully (Rom 7:17, 20). The body itself is never guilty, it's the sinner that's guilty. Scripture never relates the Christian as a sinner (1Pe 4:18).

 

[WordSword]

On 4/25/2025 at 9:41 PM, warrior12 said:

So then, how do you define "sin" as to your understanding. The bible states that it is the transgression of  the laws of God. Alright then, but how do you judge what someone does is a sin, or do you take what you perceive to be sin as the verdict ?.   

I found the below from "biblestudytools.com" quick reference dictionary.  You can search for "sin" there.  It is interesting.  Below is the first paragraph.

Hi, and appreciate your reply! To me, sinning is doing it on purpose, willfully (Heb 10:26). This answers to Rom 7:17, 20. God knows we want to please Him (Phl 2:13).

[WordSword]

On 4/25/2025 at 10:37 PM, Michael37 said:

There are always consequences for sin.

Sin separates sinners and saints from God's grace.

This does not mean that the saint that sins loses their salvation, but it does mean they are at risk of chastisement.

Hi, and like what you said! I agree, there will be "loving chastisement" (Heb 12:6, 7). You will never see Scripture relating the saint with the sinner (1Pe 4:18).