Christians, Politics, and Voting

[Anne2]

On 4/26/2025 at 11:35 AM, Orion said:

The Bible doesn't say anything about whether Christians' should be involved in politics, i.e., voting, or running to hold political offices, or campaigning for others' who aspire political office, or campaigning for particular politically driven issues, etc. 

Some Christians view modern politics, voting and office-holding, as not of God, but fleshly, worldly, and of the devil who is the god of this world and prince of the power of the air.  These Christians refrain from all things political, including voting, which gives them a clear conscience when politics and politicians do nothing but throw mud and cause havoc.  

Other Christians view the right to hold office and vote in elections as something sacrosanct that every Christian of age should engage in, as if it were something ordained by God as a way to advance the Kingdom here on earth, as something sanctified, and a blessing of God. 

To be clear, politics and office holding is not new, nor is the concept of democracy (rule of the people).  But both, having a say and holding office, were birthed in a very secular godless Greek society dating back more than  2,300 years. These Greek practices were further adopted by Rome, and was something Roman citizens enjoyed to one degree or another. 

But where Is the one True God in the modern political landscape? God does not dwell in buildings made of stone, but in the hearts of the faithful.  So, where is God when politicians agree to allow Satan worshippers open a session with a Satanic prayer, and allow the Satanic Temple to place its Satanic statue in State House's and plazas for all the world to see?  Not to mention the fervent atheist communists that are office holders, and antichrist practicioners who've held office for decades.  Where is God in modern politics?

When one takes a close look at the past and current party platforms,  as well as the people at the upper echelon of the major parties, and take a close view of the condemnations that flow from far left to far right and from every point in between, it becomes less clear which is godly and righteous in the eyes of God, though each will attempt to take claim of that standard. 

Considering the awful nature of modern politics, and the continual evil of men and women from the left and the right that are in politics, should God loving God fearing Christians be involved and thus be complicit in the evil that continually grows out of modern politics?

Voting IMO, is not different than any other ability, or power, or strength that God bestows upon us. Such is the case with wealth. It is our responsibility to use that wealth, to help those who need it. Especially our own kin.   

Just as people can trust in wealth, so men can trust in politics too heavily. I see no difference here. Which is no excuse to ignore the power we have to affect peoples lives.

God has given us power to vote. Use it to the good....Don't trust in politicians alone. But it is a gift of God just like money or any other power god has given you. 

De 8:18  But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

Use what ever power you have for the good of others. As one is able, ones ability

De 16:17  Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee. 

It is an obligation..

Edited Sunday at 02:53 PM by Anne2

[Orion]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

Voting IMO, is not different than any other ability, or power, or strength that God bestows upon us. Such is the case with wealth. It is our responsibility to use that wealth, to help those who need it. Especially our own kin.   

Just as people can trust in wealth, so men can trust in politics too heavily. I see no difference here. Which is no excuse to ignore the power we have to affect peoples lives.

God has given us power to vote. Use it to the good....Don't trust in politicians alone. But it is a gift of God just like money or any other power god has given you. 

De 8:18  But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

Use what ever power you have for the good of others. As one is able, ones ability

De 16:17  Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee. 

It is an obligation..

To say thar we are "obligated" to engage in the worldly political process (by voting or running for office) is a stretch.  We in the west, for the most part, are free to engage, but that does not translate into an obligation to engage in politics.

Our obligation is to be doing the will of God in the world, and nowhere in the Bible does it say, or even hint at saying, that being engaged in worldly politics is God's will.  

Again, freedom to do so, and an obligation to do so, are mutually exclusive re: engaging in politics: the former we have, the latter we don't. 

[Anne2]

33 minutes ago, Orion said:

o say thar we are "obligated" to engage in the worldly political process (by voting or running for office) is a stretch.  We in the west, for the most part, are free to engage, but that does not translate into an obligation to engage in politics.

I gave my opinion, you are free to disagree. I do not consider voting as engaing in worldly politics. Anymore than I consider using worldly money, to help others in charity. It is all an "ability" of a person......

 

33 minutes ago, Orion said:

Our obligation is to be doing the will of God in the world, and nowhere in the Bible does it say, or even hint at saying, that being engaged in worldly politics is God's will.  

 

34  Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35  And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
36  And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37  Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
1  But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2  And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
3  But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

33 minutes ago, Orion said:

Again, freedom to do so, and an obligation to do so, are mutually exclusive re: engaging in politics: the former we have, the latter we don't. 

Yes, you are free to do charity or not....

4  Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power?

It is the same with voting......It is your own power to hold back from it or not.....

When I see bad governmental ideas coming on the horizon I personally feel it is my civic duty. Period.

Edited Sunday at 04:57 PM by Anne2

[Orion]

1 minute ago, Anne2 said:

It is the same with voting......

It is your opinion that charity and voting are the same, but that's not what the Bible says. 

Keep in mind what charity is in the Bible.  Charity comes from the Greek word agapé, which means: benevolence, sacrificial love, a love that says, "I am going to love you regardless of whether you deserves it, and without regard to your reaction of what loving you does to me." 

Charity is found twenty-eight times in the NT. 

Charity is not a suggestion that we are free to ignore; it is what God commands from us, from all that are His children. 

To refuse love, i.e., charity, is disobedience to God. 

I see no similar command in the whole of God's word regarding politics. 

Peace

[Anne2]

21 minutes ago, Orion said:

It is your opinion that charity and voting are the same, but that's not what the Bible says. 

Keep in mind what charity is in the Bible.  Charity comes from the Greek word agapé, which means: benevolence, sacrificial love, a love that says, "I am going to love you regardless of whether you deserves it, and without regard to your reaction of what loving you does to me." 

Charity is found twenty-eight times in the NT. 

Charity is not a suggestion that we are free to ignore; it is what God commands from us, from all that are His children. 

To refuse love, i.e., charity, is disobedience to God. 

I see no similar command in the whole of God's word regarding politics. 

Peace

Look, As far as I see it our religious freedoms are/ were at stake. Our freedom to raise our children up, and not the state. That is not engaging in worldly politics. It is using what ever power I have (been given) to stop wordly politicians to have their way over our children and Churches. To do nothing when you are able is no different than seeing someone in need of food or a blanket, and saying to him, you will pray for him. But you have both of those things in hand to provide right then and there...

Bottom line: you do as you see fit for the Lord, as will I.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 05:30 PM by Anne2

[Ray12614]

4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

 it seems he is relying solely on himself and not invoking God willingly.  

Agreed.  Something we should expect from an non-believer, or, conversely an immature new believer. God knows for sure . . . .

[Orion]

39 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

As far as I see it our religious freedoms are/ were at stake

No they aren't.  We are free indeed when we are born again in Christ.

If we are held captive, we remain free in Christ. If we are brutally persecuted, we remain free in Christ.  If we are led to the gallows or the guillotine for our faith, we remain free in Christ. 

43 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Our freedom to raise our children up, and not the state.

Home school is the greatest remedy against indoctrination by the woke mob. 

 

45 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

It is using what ever power I have (been given) to stop wordly politicians to have their way over our children and Churches

Again, if you are born again in Christ, the ways of the world are not a concern, and the political system is worldly. 

 

47 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

To do nothing when you are able is no different than seeing someone in need of food or a blanket

No it's not.  To help the needy is to obey the Lord.  To engage in politics is to obey the world. 

 

48 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Bottom line: you do as you see fit for the Lord, as will I.

Obey Him. Amen amen.  

[Anne2]

1 minute ago, Orion said:

Obey Him. Amen amen.  

Exactly. False accusations are not kosher 

[Anne2]

24 minutes ago, Orion said:

Home school is the greatest remedy against indoctrination by the woke mob. 

And just what makes you think, this will protect against woke? Woke is about the "whole child's need". 

[Marathoner]

I will not say that others should do as I do, for this only leads to contention and strife. Nothing worthwhile comes of it. If my words are received, that is sufficient; if they are not, that is also sufficient.

I don't for a moment believe that the Lord blesses any nation of this earth, nor does He appoint leaders in power. I note that those who teach this withdraw their claims if one (or a group as it were) assumes power they are opposed to. Gone are the declarations that the Lord appointed them. I expect no more of the world.

In like manner, voting is not a God-given right; if it were, then this would be given to all of the governed. It is not. However, this is characteristic of cultural Christianity, a religion that professes the name of Christ but is far from Him. It's a nationalistic belief that God blesses a nation of this earth above others when clearly, wickedness and murder are their ways. Theft is how they acquire what they possess.

That is not unique to one culture nor nation. It's the rule, my friends.

For us who belong to the Lord of glory, we are citizens of His kingdom and not of this world. We are here, but we don't belong to it. We are rejected and reviled by it, and this includes the hatred of cultural Christians. I expect no more of this world. 

If one wishes to vote, then do it. If one wishes to abstain so they don't stain themselves, then do that.