Christ is Israel

[farouk]

6 minutes ago, In1 said:

Oh yeah ... I have the KJV memorized!

@In1 It's so valuable for young believers to memorize Scripture........

[farouk]

23 hours ago, Anne2 said:

What a nice way to put it.

"When you walk into a Christian church you are looking at Abraham and his seed."

"Jesus cursed the fig tree because it bore no fruit.....of repentance. "

To those rulers in authority as Judges...Bribery, False testimony, Hypocrisy. They did as wicked Judges because they had nothing on him.....

 

Hi @Anne2

I am reminded also of Romans 14.17:

"For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."

In the end it's the moral and spiritual value of these things mentioned by Paul that are central to the believer's life. Legalists can get sidelined by superficialities and controls.

But it's what we are by faith inwardly and spiritually that is important. (Even though symbols such as baptism and the Lord's Supper are very important.)

Unfortunately, the tendency to Phariseeism within Judaism has sometimes had its equivalent trend within professing Christianity as well.

2 Corinthians 4.16-18 reminds us that it's the inward and spiritual that come first:

"For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

¹⁷ For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

¹⁸ While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

[Luther]

18 hours ago, In1 said:

Yeah that's pretty much how I use it ... I remember when I got my first computor given to me with the PC study Bible on it, when computors were still DOS ... could turn an 8 hour study into 15 mintues! Before when I did a word study, I'd write every scripture out on paper, so I could have it all out in front of me ... spent 15 years doing it that way ... can't tell you how many times I rewrote the bible on paper ... currently I use the program E Sword ...

I'm sure you would agree with me that there is value in writing out verses. It is certainly good to have different ways of studying.

The last 25 years of my life have had ups and downs ( mostly downs). However, in all of that time I studied words, wrote down all the scriptures and made notes (or commentary if you will). So now there sits before me a thick binder full of topics the Holy Spirit has led me to learn more about. That's the one thing that remained consistent in all that time and I am very thankful for that.

This resource has become very helpful because it's what I've learned over the years, including areas where I was not as informed as today. Of course there are some pastors and teachers that I enjoy listening to. But quite frankly, there is a ton of false teaching out there. 

 

 

 

 

[farouk]

On 5/27/2025 at 9:34 AM, Luther said:

Yes it does. I believe that's the key. To let yhe Bible have the final say. Sometimes you have to be careful with the concordance, but what an excellent companion to have. Do you use a concordance?

I know some preachers don't like concordances because they like to spend the time searching through the Bible for the verse they are looking for.

Some ppl don't seem to have that leisure time, though, if a concordance can possible help them to "redeem the time"...........

[In1]

45 minutes ago, Luther said:

But quite frankly, there is a ton of false teaching out there. 

 

 

 

 

Solomon and Jesus gave a remedy for that :)

 

[Anne2]

6 hours ago, farouk said:

@Anne2 So interesting to see the idea of blessing to the world coming through Israel.

I don't see the church specifically in the Old Testament, though...

I think the context might be seen here?

Abraham would die and go to his fathers in peace...Who were these?

Ge 15:15  And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

Certainly Noah.... The heir of the righteousness which is by faith, like Abraham.

 

Heb 11:7  By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. {moved … : or, being wary }
1Pe 3:20  Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
2Pe 2:5  And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Ge 5:32  And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Shem.....The lord, and God of him, who's tent, Japheth dwells in.

Ge 9:26  And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. {his servant: or, servant to them }
Ge 9:27  God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. 

And Enoch, translated to not see death, as He pleased God.

Heb 5  By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Ju 1:14  And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 ¶  To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Abel, also righteous, being dead yet speaks

Heb 11:4  By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. 

Isaac upon death was gathered to his people..

29  And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people, being old and full of days: and his sons Esau and Jacob buried him.
 

And Jacob dies and is gathered to his people

Gen 49:28   All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them.
29  And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people: bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite,
30  In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a buryingplace.
31  There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.
32  The purchase of the field and of the cave that is therein was from the children of Heth.
33  And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.
Are not all these awaiting the resurrection from the dead...Were they not a part of the inheritance we also have in it?

Edited May 28 by Anne2

[Luther]

1 hour ago, farouk said:

I know some preachers don't like concordances because they like to spend the time searching through the Bible for the verse they are looking for.

Some ppl don't seem to have that leisure time, though, if a concordance can possible help them to "redeem the time"...........

I believe it's time well spent.

[farouk]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

I think the context might be seen here?

Abraham would die and go to his fathers in peace...Who were these?

Ge 15:15  And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

Certainly Noah.... The heir of the righteousness which is by faith, like Abraham.

 

Heb 11:7  By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. {moved … : or, being wary }
1Pe 3:20  Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
2Pe 2:5  And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Ge 5:32  And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Shem.....The lord, and God of him, who's tent, Japheth dwells in.

Ge 9:26  And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. {his servant: or, servant to them }
Ge 9:27  God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. 

And Enoch, translated to not see death, as He pleased God.

Heb 5  By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Ju 1:14  And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 ¶  To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Abel, also righteous, being dead yet speaks

Heb 11:4  By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. 

Isaac upon death was gathered to his people..

29  And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people, being old and full of days: and his sons Esau and Jacob buried him.
 

And Jacob dies and is gathered to his people

Gen 49:28   All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them.
29  And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people: bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite,
30  In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a buryingplace.
31  There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.
32  The purchase of the field and of the cave that is therein was from the children of Heth.
33  And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.
Are not all these awaiting the resurrection from the dead...Were they not a part of the inheritance we also have in it?

@Anne2 They were indeed the justified (Hebrews 11 expands on them), but as I understand it Acts 2 at Pentecost marked the birthday of the church itself.

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, farouk said:

@Anne2 They were indeed the justified (Hebrews 11 expands on them), but as I understand it Acts 2 at Pentecost marked the birthday of the church itself.

Hi Farouk. I suppose we will just agree to disagree.

I will leave it with this

They were all firstborn sons..... it is bigger than just us. It goes back to the creation itself..

Col 1:15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:18  And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. {in … : or, among all }

Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

I believe this is in line with Luke and the genealogy as was supposed the son of Joseph.

The seed of the woman EVE, the mother of all the living Son of God, son of man...

Be blessed

 

[farouk]

On 5/28/2025 at 5:45 PM, Anne2 said:

Hi Farouk. I suppose we will just agree to disagree.

I will leave it with this

They were all firstborn sons..... it is bigger than just us. It goes back to the creation itself..

Col 1:15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:18  And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. {in … : or, among all }

Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

I believe this is in line with Luke and the genealogy as was supposed the son of Joseph.

The seed of the woman EVE, the mother of all the living Son of God, son of man...

Be blessed

 

1 Cor. 10.32: the three entities: Jews, Gentiles and the church of God