God Is Not a Nationalist

[Anne2]

21 hours ago, Marathoner said:

Jim Crow laws were a system of racial segregation and discrimination throughout the American South beginning in 1870. These laws, intended to reverse legal protections for former slaves in the South during the Reconstruction period, persisted until the legality of this evil was finally abolished in 1965. 

Colored people possessed no rights under law under Jim Crow; institutions from the courts to law enforcement were not expected, required, nor compelled to serve colored people. Murders of colored people were committed with impunity. 

The Tuskegee Syphilis Study was perpetrated against a group of colored men by the United States Public Health Service and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) from 1932 until 1972. At the time, it was believed that syphilis affected people of different "races" in different ways, and this evil was carried out based upon the assumption that these men would never receive care because they were colored anyway. 

These men were promised treatment but were only given placebo drugs; the study observed untreated syphilis. It is a horrific disease and the evil perpetrated under the sun was truly unspeakable. 

These are examples which reveal how the United States is no different than any other nation of this earth. The nations of men are wicked and enemies of the Lord. They hated Him before they hated His beloved. 

When we look at history, let it be a solid reminder of the reason why our country had term limits for political office, as well as balance of power. I think it is a much greater danger when people think of human nature more highly than they ought. Which many critics seem to do today. 

[Marathoner]

47 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

When we look at history, let it be a solid reminder of the reason why our country had term limits for political office, as well as balance of power. I think it is a much greater danger when people think of human nature more highly than they ought. Which many critics seem to do today. 

Those who belong to the Lord strive against the flesh by walking in the Spirit. This is one reason why the Body is not compatible with the world, for Christ is hated by the world. 

We serve one master and belong to a kingdom that is not of this world. 

[Anne2]

56 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Those who belong to the Lord strive against the flesh by walking in the Spirit. This is one reason why the Body is not compatible with the world, for Christ is hated by the world. 

We serve one master and belong to a kingdom that is not of this world. 

We are not talking about the body of christ. This thread is about nationalism. As Christians yes, we should strive against the flesh. When it comes to government we as Christians should know what the flesh is about. Nothing good. And do the best we can with that. I think this nation has done well with that foundation. And all our hypocrisy, and evil done in our past should simply serve a solid foundation to not forget the wickedness all men are capable of. Today I see what I believe attempts to think more highly of that nature, in criticizing our past failures. They are past, and corrected. What other system men dream will make all things good is IMO a fools errand.

Lu 18:10  Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11  The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12  I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13  And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14  I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
 

Edited Sunday at 03:05 PM by Anne2

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

We are not talking about the body of christ. This thread is about nationalism. As Christians yes, we should strive against the flesh. When it comes to government we as Christians should know what the flesh is about. Nothing good. And do the best we can with that. I think this nation has done well with that foundation. And all our hypocrisy, and evil done in our past should simply serve a solid foundation to not forget the wickedness all men are capable of. Today I see what I believe attempts to think more highly of that nature, in criticizing our past failures. They are past, and corrected. What other system men dream will make all things good is IMO a fools errand.

Lu 18:10  Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11  The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12  I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13  And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14  I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
 

The Body is indeed mentioned in the OP, specifically at it relates to the Lord having nothing to do with nationalism. He does not, nor should we. Christian nationalism has many doctrines and positions; the notion that cultural Christians should seize power and impose their cultural Christianity upon all is the modus operandi of Christian nationalism.

Political activism is another feature of nationalism, and Christian nationalism is no different in this regard. If one wishes to serve a different master than Christ then by all means, do whatever is right in one's eyes: let those who do wrong still do wrong, and let those who are still filthy be filthy. 

[Anne2]

31 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

The Body is indeed mentioned in the OP,

As was my response. see below

 

31 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

As Christians yes, we should strive against the flesh. When it comes to government we as Christians should know what the flesh is about. Nothing good.

 

31 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Christian nationalism has many doctrines and positions; the notion that cultural Christians should seize power and impose their cultural Christianity upon all is the modus operandi of Christian nationalism.

Nationalism to me is the same as patriotism. I reject the above description. Nationalism is looking at our founding fathers and what they did and why....I believe this nation on that end is the greatest so far. Due to one solid "Christian notion" the nature of humanity period. There as Christians we should know our equality on a very base level. Nothing good from our flesh equally. This is quite different than "equity" we hear about now.

 

31 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Political activism is another feature of nationalism, and Christian nationalism is no different in this regard.

Yeah, political activism is a feature of Marxism, communism, etc. Even Anarchy. It comes down to WHAT KIND OF NATION the individual wants.

 

31 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

If one wishes to serve a different master than Christ then by all means, do whatever is right in one's eyes:

Well, God, Christ were not anarchists either. So let's get upfront and real here. Let us know what nationalism each is speaking of, to and for....

 

31 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

let those who do wrong still do wrong, and let those who are still filthy be filthy. 

Anarchy for all? So what is your flavor?

Edited Sunday at 04:57 PM by Anne2

[Marathoner]

7 hours ago, Anne2 said:

As was my response. see below

 

 

Nationalism to me is the same as patriotism. I reject the above description. Nationalism is looking at our founding fathers and what they did and why....I believe this nation on that end is the greatest so far. Due to one solid "Christian notion" the nature of humanity period. There as Christians we should know our equality on a very base level. Nothing good from our flesh equally. This is quite different than "equity" we hear about now.

 

Yeah, political activism is a feature of Marxism, communism, etc. Even Anarchy. It comes down to WHAT KIND OF NATION the individual wants.

 

Well, God, Christ were not anarchists either. So let's get upfront and real here. Let us know what nationalism each is speaking of, to and for....

 

Anarchy for all? So what is your flavor?

I quoted the words of the Lord from Revelation 22:10 and 11, my friend. It's not anarchy, it's the will and purpose of the Almighty. 

I referenced Christian nationalism clearly and succinctly. Don't confuse the Kingdom of God with the nations of men. Their ways are not His ways. 

Political activism is not limited to one's chosen enemies. It is practiced by Christian nationalists as well. 

Patriotism is equivalent to nationalism. Before the Lord claimed me and when I was of this world, I enlisted in the U.S. military. I saluted flags... I served men and their causes. I know what patriotism is rather well, and it's the same as nationalism.

I understand that you claim founding fathers and that is fine. I do not. There is One who is the author and finisher of my faith, and I have been relocated into Him and given His life. I don't belong to founding fathers or any nation of this earth. I belong to Christ alone. I obey laws and live peaceably with my neighbor while I am here. I'm only here for a little while. 

Thank you for sharing. 

[Anne2]

2 hours ago, Marathoner said:

I quoted the words of the Lord from Revelation 22:10 and 11, my friend. It's not anarchy, it's the will and purpose of the Almighty. 

What is not anarchy? You haven't given any kind of government you want.

 

2 hours ago, Marathoner said:

I referenced Christian nationalism clearly and succinctly. Don't confuse the Kingdom of God with the nations of men. Their ways are not His ways. 

I told you what nationalism is to me. I am a Christian.

 

2 hours ago, Marathoner said:

Political activism is not limited to one's chosen enemies. It is practiced by Christian nationalists as well. 

Patriotism is equivalent to nationalism.

Then I am a Christian and a nationalist. I don't agree with your version of it.

 

2 hours ago, Marathoner said:

I understand that you claim founding fathers and that is fine. I do not.

Well then I don't know what else you would prefer for a nation and government.

 

2 hours ago, Marathoner said:

There is One who is the author and finisher of my faith, and I have been relocated into Him and given His life. I don't belong to founding fathers or any nation of this earth.

Belong to? Whatever you decide that means. I as a christian agree with them concerning human nature. Therefore a system that mitigates it. Belong to is not a useful word to describe it IMO. But I think it has a purpose for your thoughts. Mind sharing?

 

2 hours ago, Marathoner said:

I belong to Christ alone. I obey laws and live peaceably with my neighbor while I am here. I'm only here for a little while. 

You obey laws. That is good. What kind of nation and law that flows from it do you look to?

2 hours ago, Marathoner said:

I am here. I'm only here for a little while. 

So while you are here, what kind of nation is it you want to live in while you are here? 

You are crickets on that. All you leave is anarchy as an option.

Thank you for sharing as well. 

Edited Monday at 02:31 AM by Anne2

[farouk]

20 hours ago, Anne2 said:

What is not anarchy? You haven't given any kind of government you want.

 

I told you what nationalism is to me. I am a Christian.

 

Then I am a Christian and a nationalist. I don't agree with your version of it.

 

Well then I don't know what else you would prefer for a nation and government.

 

Belong to? Whatever you decide that means. I as a christian agree with them concerning human nature. Therefore a system that mitigates it. Belong to is not a useful word to describe it IMO. But I think it has a purpose for your thoughts. Mind sharing?

 

You obey laws. That is good. What kind of nation and law that flows from it do you look to?

So while you are here, what kind of nation is it you want to live in while you are here? 

You are crickets on that. All you leave is anarchy as an option.

Thank you for sharing as well. 

I'm outside the US. Nations vary a great deal; Biblical Christianity doesn't. There is bound to be a variety of views about all sorts of things among true Christians.

[Alive]

1 minute ago, farouk said:

I'm outside the US. Nations vary a great deal; Biblical Christianity doesn't. There is bound to be a variety of views about all sorts of things among true Christians.

Well said.

[farouk]

2 minutes ago, Alive said:

Well said.

Ty, @Alive........