Pretribulation rapture or Posttribulation rapture?

[billie]

It's pre-trib.

Yeah, that's what I'm talkin about!

[Guest man]

The Tribulation is the 7 year period that takes place starting with the signing of the "Peace Treaty" with Isreal. This "treaty" will allow Isreal to rebuild the temple and start sacrifices to God again. This is the treaty that will be broken after 3 and 1/2 years, at which time the anti-christ will sit in the temple and declare himself as god thus putting an end to sacrifices.

If it is as you say, then portions of the bible are meaningless, of no value whatsoever.

If the rapture is before the trib., why would He tell us to watch?

[Floatingaxe]

While we're all watchin', we go! We are to watch the signs. After that, the convinced will also be watchin'! I think the people who are left behind will still be able to read.

Blessings!

[Guest man]

While we're all watchin', we go! We are to watch the signs. After that, the convinced will also be watchin'! I think the people who are left behind will still be able to read.

Blessings!

Where in Matt. 24 do the scriptures end for us and begin for them?

[Floatingaxe]

While we're all watchin', we go! We are to watch the signs. After that, the convinced will also be watchin'! I think the people who are left behind will still be able to read.

Blessings!

Where in Matt. 24 do the scriptures end for us and begin for them?

The scriptures are for all time. The message has no end and they certainly don't just begin for the left behind ones. They will have missed the boat. Hopefully, they will get the Message through the witness of the 144,000.

[Guest man]

While we're all watchin', we go! We are to watch the signs. After that, the convinced will also be watchin'! I think the people who are left behind will still be able to read.

Blessings!

Where in Matt. 24 do the scriptures end for us and begin for them?

The scriptures are for all time. The message has no end and they certainly don't just begin for the left behind ones. They will have missed the boat. Hopefully, they will get the Message through the witness of the 144,000.

I must have read this a dozen times...I don't even have a come back for this one. I can't believe you're serious.

If you look at the scriptures logically, there's no way it can happen the way you say it will. The pieces don't fit.

If you're so sure of yourself, show me...teach me...help me to learn what you learned.

[dgolvach]

I hope its the pre. I am to sick and worn to deal with 7 years of the Anti Christ's dung. Please Lord ....make the post-tribbers wrong! They will be glad they were.

Dan

[jackie d]

I do believe that 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 should be paid special attention to..it appears that Paul is prophesying about the pre-tirb deception here..LISTEN to this

1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers

2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.

3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way for that day WILL NOT COME until the rebellion occurs and the man of LAWLESSNESS is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God

5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things?

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.

7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds him back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,

10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because the refused to love the truth and so be saved.

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

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I have not read this entire thread so if I have repeated these scriptures please excuse me..however maybe it is good to see it twice if it has been repeated...smiles

blessings

Edited August 30, 2006 by jackie d

[Guest man]

I do believe that 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 should be paid special attention to..it appears that Paul is prophesying about the pre-tirb deception here..LISTEN to this

1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers

2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.

3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way for that day WILL NOT COME until the rebellion occurs and the man of LAWLESSNESS is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God

5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things?

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.

7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds him back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,

10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because the refused to love the truth and so be saved.

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

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I have not read this entire thread so if I have repeated these scriptures please excuse me..however maybe it is good to see it twice if it has been repeated...smiles

blessings

Thank you Jackie...well put.

For those of you who believe you will miss out on all the bad stuff, take a look at verse 11. "God will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie".

It is my belief that many people who call themselves believers will follow the antichrist because of what God does in verse 11.

There is so much written about the devil and the end times but people seem to overlook it as if it doesn't pertain to them. I don't understand that line of thought.

Perhaps it's ego.

[jackie d]

man said:

There is so much written about the devil and the end times but people seem to overlook it as if it doesn't pertain to them. I don't understand that line of thought.

Perhaps it's ego.

No, I dont' think that ego plays a part in this delusion of pre-trib rapture. As verse 10 and 11 say

10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because the refused to love the truth and so be saved.

11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

This is why it happens..but the good news is...God doesn't seem unwilling to lift the delusion if people are willing to receive the Truth of His return.

I was a pre-tribber myself. For no other reason than the people who were in my life when I first believed told me it was so. I asked God to reveal the truth to me about it and He did.

Edited August 30, 2006 by jackie d