Homosexuality- how bad is it...

[Prodigalson123]

I agree that we can't soften the stance on whether homosexuality is wrong, but in all reality, is it any more heinous to the Lord then idolatry? then adultery? Sin is sin in the eyes of the Lord. They are people, who are afraid, insecure, strong, confident just like anyone else. And like everyone else they need the love of our Lord and will be forgiven if they ask. One must be shown that they are lost before they can be saved. Remember the place we all were in before we saw that Jesus died for us also.

[hebrews_beauty]

It's an underlying philosophy on life that people have...look at Hebrew Beauty and how she thinks. She believes homosexuals have been created this way, but this stems from a belief that humans are nothing more than animals. We evolved that way.

All I had said, from what I have read and understand, is that sexual orientation is not something a person can choose. This was only from what I have learned, but I am still learning. I never said that homosexuality was completely caused by "genetics" or how they are "created;" however, it is highly likely that genetics may play a role in it, which is why it is important, sin or not a sin, that we approach homosexuals with compassion and love.

[eric]

How much compassion and love did God show towards the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.?

Now I am not saying we should stone them to death or even despise them but at least come to the point with them. Two young men holding hands in the mall is one thing, but wholesale homosexual depravity is where it is likely to end. I know because I have seen it. Try taking your love and compassion into a gay bar or a madi gras parade. Kissing your boyfriend behind the bike shed is only the start if it isn't checked. Every yougster reaches a point of exploration when it comes to sex and it's a hard habit to break if you get caught up in it. People have to be told and that's the bottom line,

eric.

[poetically_taken]

How much compassion and love did God show towards the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.?

Now I am not saying we should stone them to death or even despise them but at least come to the point with them. Two young men holding hands in the mall is one thing, but wholesale homosexual depravity is where it is likely to end. I know because I have seen it. Try taking your love and compassion into a gay bar or a madi gras parade. Kissing your boyfriend behind the bike shed is only the start if it isn't checked. Every yougster reaches a point of exploration when it comes to sex and it's a hard habit to break if you get caught up in it. People have to be told and that's the bottom line,

eric.

Well believe it or not that is where our compassion is needed the most and people need God's love... that is the true bottom line no matter what.

[eric]

Hello counsellor, where ya been. Are you here as the Lord's defence or prosectuing brief?

[eric]

Well no matter how much Christians say it is wrong, which it is, doesn't mean that this world will stop pushing it. The world pushes everything. By having people stand outside and hold picket signs that say "God hates gays" Isn't going to solve anything. It'll make matters worse. It's a catch 22 becuase we hate the sin but we tend to hate the people too, when we shouldn't be wasting our anger on them.

People who who form protest groups and carrying placards of any kind don't solve problems. That only causes enmity factions and strife, which is a nono, according to Paul's message to the galations, and comes under the category of works of the flesh. People blowing up abortion clinics in protest are as bad as the abortionists themselves.

I am not a homophobe either. The duty of the church is to preach the gospel to the world and part of the gospel says that if you die in your sins you go to eternal damnation. So for goodness sakes let's preach it and stop trying to gloss it over, instead of saying," bless you brother I'll pray for you,'' You have to tell them what Jesus said. Repent or you will perish.

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[ink_spot]

I agree that gays need to be told the truth about God...but there is a certain way to go about it. We can't just say, even though it might be true, that being gay will send you to the lake of fire.

The way I see it is in this world there is no reason for a Gay person to become straight. Being gay is too widely accepted as the norm. What I mean is murderers, they are more likely to change their ways without God because our world and culture says that it's wrong. But being gay is seen as ok by the world's standards. So the only way they'll really have a reason to change is God.

Instead of trying to fix the sin, why not try to bring that person to christ first. (I've probably said this before) But then they'll probably see how wrong the sin is on their own. If they don't believe in God or sin then telling them their sin will send them to hell is useless. They have to know God and understand what sin is before they will have a desire to change it.

First tell them about God, don't act condeming or mean. Show them the love of God and make sure they know about God and what He can do in their lives. Don't talk to them as a homosexual talk to them as a person who needs God.

And always keep them in prayer. Prayer can be very powerful.

Edited December 27, 2005 by ink_spot

[poetically_taken]

I agree that gays need to be told the truth about God...but there is a certain way to go about it. We can't just say, even though it might be true, that being gay will send you to the lake of fire.

The way I see it is in this world there is no reason for a Gay person to become straight. Being gay is too widely accepted as the norm. What I mean is murderers, they are more likely to change their ways without God because our world and culture says that it's wrong. But being gay is seen as ok by the world's standards. So the only way they'll really have a reason to change is God.

Instead of trying to fix the sin, why not try to bring that person to christ first. (I've probably said this before) But then they'll probably see how wrong the sin is on their own. If they don't believe in God or sin then telling them their sin will send them to hell is useless. They have to know God and understand what sin is before they will have a desire to change it.

First tell them about God, don't act condeming or mean. Show them the love of God and make sure they know about God and what He can do in their lives. Don't talk to them as a homosexual talk to them as a person who needs God.

And always keep them in prayer. Prayer can be very powerful.

Right on target once again. Exactly what I was going to say. Love first and then telling them they're wrong.

[apothanein kerdos]

yeah right, Joel. I know where you are coming from because you and I have been on different threads and forums about this topic before. You are right about the world view, but how do we attack the world view. We will always be at enmity with the world and will be more so as the world slides futher down the slope of evil and corruption and it is being helped by the pathetic watered down gospel that's coming across too many of the pulpits. You know what I mean The modern theology today it to "don't rock the boat" The leaders of the denom churches are frightened their flock will stay away if you mention the consquences of any kind of sin. Gays are no worse than any other sinners, but unless they are prepared to confess their wrongness, then you can't help them.

Passing a bill and making soemthing legal doesn't change things. This stupid Govt of ours has just passed a bill legalising prostitution, but that doesn't let prostitutes off God's hook The world, Joel of which you speak, is doing everthing in it's power to call everything evil, good and everything that is good, evil. Some one has to make a stand, because the denom churches aren't. THE church is at war with the world and will win, and the devil take the hindmost.

Joel you have a great day in Jesus,

eric.

Oh I'm all about rocking the boat (that should have been obvious by now ). What I was suggesting is that, instead of trying to pass laws consantly that ban homosexuality, or always address the issue of homosexuality, to get deeper into the issue. Question a person's worldview of why homosexuality is acceptable. I just think that would do more damage...I'm definately not saying water anything down. We should still show the consequences of homosexuality, but unless a person's worldview changes arguing against it doesn't change anything.

All I had said, from what I have read and understand, is that sexual orientation is not something a person can choose. This was only from what I have learned, but I am still learning. I never said that homosexuality was completely caused by "genetics" or how they are "created;" however, it is highly likely that genetics may play a role in it,

Whatever you're read or studied falls into the paradigm I presented. If you truly are a Chrisitan then don't trust humanistic writings.

Do you really know what the sin of Sodom was? It was not what you expect. Jesus mentioned what it was.... can you find it?

Jesus doesn't say anything about their sin. Jude 1:7 and 2 Peter 2:6 both say it was due to immorality and chasing after "strange flesh" (i.e. homosexuality). Now what you'll attempt to do is bring up Matthew 10 showing that when Jesus said, "If they do not recieve you they shall suffer like Sodom" and try and show that Sodom was destroyed because they treated their guests in a horrible manner. THe problem with this is that JEsus doesn't say this, He merely says that judgement shall reign down on those cities, He says nothing about the sin of Sodom, just the judgement of Sodom. Likewise, if you read the account the men in Sodom wanted Lot's guests to come out so that they could "have their way with them." This means rape them. However, clarification in the New Testament shows us these cities were destroyed for their immorality, this is just plain theology.

Instead of trying to fix the sin, why not try to bring that person to christ first. (I've probably said this before) But then they'll probably see how wrong the sin is on their own. If they don't believe in God or sin then telling them their sin will send them to hell is useless. They have to know God and understand what sin is before they will have a desire to change it.

A person can come to Christ as a homosxual so long as they realize they will have to change. We do have to point out to them, "By the way, what you're doing is a sin", otherwise there is no repentance.

[hebrews_beauty]

Whatever you're read or studied falls into the paradigm I presented. If you truly are a Chrisitan then don't trust humanistic writings.

I have been reading/ have read from credible biology and psychology sources...not what I'd consider "humanistic writings," or incorrect in some way. Trust me, I can usually recognize biased or faulty sources when I read them, whether secular or religious.