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Taking this back to the race issue *cough*, because races are a part of creation and not the absense of it, it is not evil to acknowledge race and even celebrate it.

How many races did God create?

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Taking this back to the race issue *cough*, because races are a part of creation and not the absense of it, it is not evil to acknowledge race and even celebrate it.

How many races did God create?

As many exist and have existed.


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do bi-racial people make you uncomfortable? do interracial couples make you uncomfortable? do you think it is irresponsible to have bi-racial kids?


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Taking this back to the race issue *cough*, because races are a part of creation and not the absense of it, it is not evil to acknowledge race and even celebrate it.

How many races did God create?

As many exist and have existed.

No, answer the question.

How many people did God create from the dirt? The answer is only one. Adam was made from the ground. And Eve was taken from his side, so there is only one race.

Did I mention that I strongly believe that there is only one race? :noidea:

Please think about my post. If God only made one person (well, two out of only one), than this means that there really is only one race.

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do bi-racial people make you uncomfortable? do interracial couples make you uncomfortable? do you think it is irresponsible to have bi-racial kids?

i'm not uncomfortable with bi-racial people at all, nor am i uncomfortable with interracial couples. as for it being irresponsible to have kids, i think the following situations fall into that category... and it doesn't matter what their skin-color is:

people who are unable to financially support themselves

people who abuse alcohol or drugs

people who still think life is one big party

people who are not married

people who are abusive or in an abusive relationship

and note those are not in any particular order... and that ethnicity is totally irrelevant. any two people who are committed to each other (through marriage) and who do not depend on welfare or someone else to support them, who take life seriously, have every right to choose to have children.


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do bi-racial people make you uncomfortable? do interracial couples make you uncomfortable? do you think it is irresponsible to have bi-racial kids?

i'm not uncomfortable with bi-racial people at all, nor am i uncomfortable with interracial couples. as for it being irresponsible to have kids, i think the following situations fall into that category... and it doesn't matter what their skin-color is:

people who are unable to financially support themselves

people who abuse alcohol or drugs

people who still think life is one big party

people who are not married

people who are abusive or in an abusive relationship

and note those are not in any particular order... and that ethnicity is totally irrelevant. any two people who are committed to each other (through marriage) and who do not depend on welfare or someone else to support them, who take life seriously, have every right to choose to have children.

You believe poor people shouldn't have children? :noidea:

I think Jesus would like to have a chat with you. :noidea:

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Jesus could chat with me in total agreement. i'm not talking about people that aren't wealthy, i'm talking about people who are totally dependant upon others for their survival. as much as i love my own daughter, she fits in that category. she gave birth three weeks ago... neither her or her new husband have any source of income. they're in high school. medicaid paid all medical expenses, and the grandparents on both sides pay for everything else. my daughter is willing to work, and has been taking classes with me to become a tax preparer. she'll start working part time next week. her husband has no interest in working whatsoever, and agrees with his parents that even a part time job would interfere with his education. he does not intend to work until he finishes college... and he still has to graduate high school.

i'm also referring to the many, many people out there that depend on every welfare program they can (food stamps, wic, afdc, tanf, medicaid and public housing) who will not bother to work to support their family.

if a couple is unable to provide for themselves even the basic necessities of life (food, shelter and clothing) then yes, it is irresponsible for them to choose to start a family. and if you think Jesus would disagree with that assessment, look up the scriptures about a man's responsibility (pay attention to that key word their, it is the root word of "irresponsibility") to provide for his wife and children.


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Jesus could chat with me in total agreement. i'm not talking about people that aren't wealthy, i'm talking about people who are totally dependant upon others for their survival. as much as i love my own daughter, she fits in that category. she gave birth three weeks ago... neither her or her new husband have any source of income. they're in high school. medicaid paid all medical expenses, and the grandparents on both sides pay for everything else. my daughter is willing to work, and has been taking classes with me to become a tax preparer. she'll start working part time next week. her husband has no interest in working whatsoever, and agrees with his parents that even a part time job would interfere with his education. he does not intend to work until he finishes college... and he still has to graduate high school.

i'm also referring to the many, many people out there that depend on every welfare program they can (food stamps, wic, afdc, tanf, medicaid and public housing) who will not bother to work to support their family.

if a couple is unable to provide for themselves even the basic necessities of life (food, shelter and clothing) then yes, it is irresponsible for them to choose to start a family. and if you think Jesus would disagree with that assessment, look up the scriptures about a man's responsibility (pay attention to that key word their, it is the root word of "irresponsibility") to provide for his wife and children.

There is a big difference between irresponsible and poor. I grew up in a poor household. I lived with my mother in my early teens and with my father when I was younger. I chose to live in poverty with someone who was warm and loving over my father who owned a house and held steady employment. My father was irresponsible because he got drunk every weekend, brought in a woman that niether my brother or I liked, to look after us. She was a nasty drunk. My father was also promiscuous.

So I can say through experience that soom poor people are more qualified to have children then some well off people. :noidea:

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you seem to be totally missing the point of my comment. i, too, grew up in a poor home, as did my children. the whole point of this was irresponsibility, not a debate on rich parents vs. poor parents. and my view (which is completely biblical) remains valid. a person or couple who cannot or will not support a child has no business having one. i'm not talking about needing a little assistance here or there, i'm talking about those who are totally reliant on someone else for their food, shelter and clothing. if they can't provide those basic things, it is irresponsible to choose to take on more finanical expense that someone else has to pay. it doesn't mean they wouldn't be loving parents, it means they are not capable (by choice or circumstance, and what i had in mind was more by choice than circumstance) of being responsible for the debt they would incur... and raising a family is not free.

when you have children, it is your God given responsibility to do whatever it takes to take care of them... having children isn't something one should do just because they want to play dress-up on a real live baby. it is one that requires provision and care, beyond just the lovey-dovey stuff. and God expects us to meet that responsibility.


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Taking this back to the race issue *cough*, because races are a part of creation and not the absense of it, it is not evil to acknowledge race and even celebrate it.

How many races did God create?

As many exist and have existed.

No, answer the question.

How many people did God create from the dirt? The answer is only one. Adam was made from the ground. And Eve was taken from his side, so there is only one race.

Did I mention that I strongly believe that there is only one race? :noidea:

Please think about my post. If God only made one person (well, two out of only one), than this means that there really is only one race.

Actually, He's created everyone mate. Read the Bible, many, many, many times He is spoken of forming us in the womb and having power over the womb, in other words, He creates us. He has created all the different races, and to mimimize this is to ignore His creativity.

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