We are not appointed unto wrath.....

[MK202002]

Without debating pre-mid-post rapture theology exclusivly- let's discuss this.

Every now and then I hear that Christians say that it's not consistant with God's character to let his children suffer wrath, and that is why we will not be here during the tribulation. (1 Thess 5:9)

Is it our own suffering that strikes a sour chord with us? What does the history of Christianity, the Bible, and our own experience say to this?

Is that what we will/would be experiencing in the tribulation, God's wrath?

[CarolineS]

Good question. You are sure to start a debate, however; there is no avoiding it.

I consider the tribulation to be a time of testing, refining and separation of God's followers. Those that actually do and live by His word and those who are hearers of the Word only. Christ will purifity His church to be presented spotless and without blemish, His bride. It is a time of testing and purifying. I believe God's wrath is poured out on the earth after His church has been raptured.

God's wrath is poured out on the earth after the seven plagues are completed. Only those who never accepted Christ as their Savior will suffer His wrath. God will not pour His wrath out on His church.

In Christ,

CarolineS

[deadman1204]

One thing to consider is without people witnessing, everything God does in the trib to glorify himself would fall on unknowing ears. It wont accomplish its effect if the actions arnt being attributed to him.

[Adarian]

If we are born of God, we are under the law of the Spirit: He urges, we obey. Those who are not born of God remain under the written law, which no man is able to keep, and are therefore under wrath. There is testing, correction, and chastising for the believer found in Christ, but for the unbeliever there is wrath and the ever present danger of sudden final judgement of a man in the flesh, which of course is the death of the flesh outside of the body of Christ, and eternal judgement in the lake of fire. Ugh. During the trib I expect that the two witnesses will have a few things to say the world, as will the angels flying around preaching the everlasting gospel. It ought to be difficult to miss them. God's wrath will be poured out after the church is removed from the earth.

The thing God wants the most from us is fellowship, this is the first work of faith. His wrath is for those who refuse to hang out with Him.

[AnotherTraveler]

God's pattern throughout the ages has been to deliver His people through the fire, through the troubles, through the waters, through the battles, and yet in the midst of the troubles, make a way of escape.

Daniel did go to the lion's den, but was not eaten.

Daniel's 3 companions went into the firey furnace, but were neither burnt, nor were they even smokey.

As Egypt suffered plagues, God made a land of seperation in Egypt that the last plagues only fell on the Egyptions.

All the saints that have died for the name of Jesus, and all of the persecuted including the Apostle Paul, were delivered through the troubles, NOT from the troubles. God's pattern is to take His people out on the raging waters, and then when a zeleous one asks to walk on the raging waters with the LOrd, He just says, "come", and when the over zealous begins to sink due to distraction or weakness, Jesus rescues them through the raging sea.

We are not appointed to wrath. However, what does the word mean when it says that thousands will fall at our right hands, yet it (the terror or trouble) will not come upon thee, but only with your eyes will you see...

God is so merciful, it is in His pattern to provide witnesses and deliverers and comforters and healers and helpers for those that are being or about to be subject to His wrath.

His mercy never ends. His mercy endures for ever.

[Guest AngelicBeliever]

I feel this is saying that only God has the right to take vengence and seek wrath against the ungodly.

[penfold]

God's pattern throughout the ages has been to deliver His people through the fire, through the troubles, through the waters, through the battles, and yet in the midst of the troubles, make a way of escape.

Daniel did go to the lion's den, but was not eaten.

Daniel's 3 companions went into the firey furnace, but were neither burnt, nor were they even smokey.

As Egypt suffered plagues, God made a land of seperation in Egypt that the last plagues only fell on the Egyptions.

All the saints that have died for the name of Jesus, and all of the persecuted including the Apostle Paul, were delivered through the troubles, NOT from the troubles. God's pattern is to take His people out on the raging waters, and then when a zeleous one asks to walk on the raging waters with the LOrd, He just says, "come", and when the over zealous begins to sink due to distraction or weakness, Jesus rescues them through the raging sea.

We are not appointed to wrath. However, what does the word mean when it says that thousands will fall at our right hands, yet it (the terror or trouble) will not come upon thee, but only with your eyes will you see...

God is so merciful, it is in His pattern to provide witnesses and deliverers and comforters and healers and helpers for those that are being or about to be subject to His wrath.

His mercy never ends. His mercy endures for ever.

Do you know I agree with all you have said here but I think it shows how God gets us out before the REALLY bad stuff happens

Pre trib rapper myself

[Christ's Free Servant]

Without debating pre-mid-post rapture theology exclusivly- let's discuss this.

Every now and then I hear that Christians say that it's not consistant with God's character to let his children suffer wrath, and that is why we will not be here during the tribulation. (1 Thess 5:9)

Is it our own suffering that strikes a sour chord with us? What does the history of Christianity, the Bible, and our own experience say to this?

Is that what we will/would be experiencing in the tribulation, God's wrath?

I think it is clear from the context that he is talking about damnation to hell. We are appointed to salvation, not to be punished forever in the fires of hell. Wrath, in this context, is talking about eternal separation from God.

[Christ's Free Servant]

Without debating pre-mid-post rapture theology exclusivly- let's discuss this.

Every now and then I hear that Christians say that it's not consistant with God's character to let his children suffer wrath, and that is why we will not be here during the tribulation. (1 Thess 5:9)

Is it our own suffering that strikes a sour chord with us? What does the history of Christianity, the Bible, and our own experience say to this?

Is that what we will/would be experiencing in the tribulation, God's wrath?

I think it is clear from the context that he is talking about damnation to hell. We are appointed to salvation, not to be punished forever in the fires of hell. Wrath, in this context, is talking about eternal separation from God.

Thanks

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