SIN - what is it..............exactly?

[CarolineS]

Hmmm.....

Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Surely you have put to death anyone that you may have known to commit this one, right?

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Killed any homosexuals lately? This Law implies that you should.

Lev 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Cranked up any neighborhood fortune teller stonings in the past few weeks, have you?

Exo 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

We could use you in the war on terror....

Exo 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Well, you get the idea.

t.

You are mixing up the perfect eternal Law of God, which was written in stone, and stands until the end of time with the ordinances and ceremonial laws that Moses wrote with his hand. I suggest you study them further.

CarolineS

[Fiosh]

This brings up a question that's been bothering for some time:

Is Sin bad simply because God arbitrarily says it is, or is it bad for some other reason besides God saying it is.

did that make sense?

Hey Sparky!

Just now noticed your sig.

I am honored.

Sin is one of those concepts that is a little bit difficult for me to get hold of. Simply by definition, sin is "an offense against God". What that includes exactly is not totally clear to me. I could, of course, pick up my Catechism lying within arms reach and look it up. But I purposely haven't, cause I wanted to hear what was said here first.

Maybe you have the right words, but in the wrong order.

Maybe "God says sin is bad---because it is".

God wants what is best for us.

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Here's a follow-up question.........well, 2 questions really.

1. Can you sin without realizing it?

2. Are there variations of culpability?

Peace,

Fiosh

[CarolineS]

Sin is defined as the transgression of the law or lawlessness. It's not my definition, but the definition found in the Word of God.

Here is another scripture addressing lawlessness:

<Matthew 7:21,22,23>

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"

So we can see how important it is to be clear on the definition of sin, or lawlessness; and how important it is to do the will of our Father in heaven.

In Christ,

CarolineS

[Guest shiloh357]

You are mixing up the perfect eternal Law of God, which was written in stone, and stands until the end of time with the ordinances and ceremonial laws that Moses wrote with his hand. I suggest you study them further.

Sorry Caroline, but you don't know what you are talking about. God gave all kinds of commandments outside of the Ten Commandments, and they are just as important. Things like, not sleeping with your sister, or your father. Not committing homosexuality, Loving God with all of your heart, sould and mind, loving your neighbor as yourself, looking after widows, not praying to the dead, not participating in astrology, and so forth. To pretend that since they do not appear in the Ten Commandments makes them somehow less important demonstrates really bad theology. Whether they were written on stone or by Moses really isn't the point. It does not somehow make God's other moral commandments optional. Just because Moses wrote them himself, does not mean that they were Moses' opinion, or that Moses came up with them, himself. They are still God's commandments, and are not optional.

You can take your "Sabbath must be done for salvation" heresy somewhere else. It is not welcome on this board. We support biblical Christianity, not the garbage you are spewing.

[CarolineS]

You are mixing up the perfect eternal Law of God, which was written in stone, and stands until the end of time with the ordinances and ceremonial laws that Moses wrote with his hand. I suggest you study them further.

Sorry Caroline, but you don't know what you are talking about. God gave all kinds of commandments outside of the Ten Commandments, and they are just as important. Things like, not sleeping with your sister, or your father. Not committing homosexuality, Loving God with all of your heart, sould and mind, loving your neighbor as yourself, looking after widows, not praying to the dead, not participating in astrology, and so forth. To pretend that since they do not appear in the Ten Commandments makes them somehow less important demonstrates really bad theology. Whether they were written on stone or by Moses really isn't the point. It does not somehow make God's other moral commandments optional. Just because Moses wrote them himself, does not mean that they were Moses' opinion, or that Moses came up with them, himself. They are still God's commandments, and are not optional.

You can take your "Sabbath must be done for salvation" heresy somewhere else. It is not welcome on this board. We support biblical Christianity, not the garbage you are spewing.

Please stick to the topic and give us your definition of sin according to scripture.

In Christ,

CarolineS

[EricH]

What the Bears did against Carolina was a sin

[Remnantrob]

I read a statement somewhere that said if sin could be explained then it would cease to be sin. Rather that trying to understand it, I choose to look for the solution to it's consequence.

[kittylover0991]

sin is a lack of knowledge of doing what is right.

if your doing something right your not sinning.

you can't help but to sin anyway. what is it? it's appreiciating what is good and right, when you finally come out of it.

why we can't help but to sin, is because we don't understand what sin is. in order to understand sin we have to experience it by sinning. after the sin(s) are commited we learn and don't commit the sin again.

After we stop that sin, a change happens. You are on the other side of the fence where the grass is indeed greener.

You can't go back to the sin again and again, as commonly believed. You either are in the state of said sin or not.

Like because a person isn't drunk doesn't mean they aren't sinning. They still desire to go be drunk again so they never left the sin at all.

In the end all sin is...

...noitrotsiD

Distortion...

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Amen! Jesus saved us from the depths of hell by dying on the cross for our sins then conquering death on the cross! All we have to do is accept him! He cleansed my heart of sin. Yes, God knows we are going to sin again and again, but as Christians, our goal is to be as Christ-like as possible.. to hear the words in heaven "Well done thou good and faithful servant" and not "depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity(KJV)"!! One sins through actions and thoughts.

However, many do keep going back to sins .. many habitual ones such as immorality, drinking, or things as simple as gossip or disrespect to authority... there are many different sins. When we have sin in our lives, we cannot have true fellowship with Christ and we can't have "the best of both worlds". But as said, to him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin. That is a verse we learned on my church bus about a year ago. Jesus saves sinners.

*sorry if I missed the point of the original post cardcaptor*

[ted]

You are mixing up the perfect eternal Law of God, which was written in stone, and stands until the end of time with the ordinances and ceremonial laws that Moses wrote with his hand. I suggest you study them further.

Ok, now that it's established (by you) that only certain laws are to be followed, can you kindly let us all know which are to be followed and which can be safely blown off?

I take it that you think that the Ten Commandments are to be followed (which would be cool), but which others?

If I'm going to add my works to Jesus' sacrifice, I might as well get them down right.

t.

[ted]

Thanks, man.

The point I am trying to bring is that we will do what is good in the Lord's eyes by the fact that we are now (upon Salvation) washed and aware of sin. To me, that is what the law was for in the first place: to establish what is sin, and what is not.

You bring up good points, and certainly, we should strive to do what is right in God's eye.

I put up no argument to that.

Some here believe that our salvation rests upon us following the law to the letter, though, and it doesn't.

It rests on what Jesus did on the Cross for us, and our acceptance of that.

I am not saying that we (or I) are free to do whatever we want to now because of this gift. Far from it!

If I was alive 2000 years ago, I would be considered a Gentile, true? Paul had some words for Peter about mixing the Law with Grace, did he not? If I remember right, Peter saw the error of that doctrine. Gentiles were not to be forced into practicing Jewish law. Christ died to bring us all together, both Jew and Gentile.

This is the point I am making, although admittedly badly, I guess.

Are we free to sin now that we have accepted Christ? No. In fact, I would say that we are to be aware of sin more than ever, and strive to run from it, according to the Bible, but in no way are we to be forced into following Jewish law as a condition for Salvation. Yes, if we love Jesus, we will follow His commands, and we will be spiritually inclined to do so, with the Holy Spirit living in us, but fogiveness of sins is what Christ brought to us.

Maybe I'm still not conveying that properly, but I'm limited between thought and words.

I understand the difference, the trouble is, some people think that we are still to mix law with grace. One who continues in sin after professing Christ sure has some talking to do with God, because God can see what is in a person's heart. The intention of Christ was for people to repent of their sins, and accept the Gift of His sacrifice, not for them to have a quick cover for their evil ways. That much I understand. So, we are not to continue in sin, but the opposite! Learning more about God through the Law is one good way, but I'm not heading to hell because I forget to hold a feast of some kind.

So yes, we should strive to live Holy and as best we can, but we have Jesus to defend us and speak in our behalf when we fall due to our nature. I don't use Him as some sort of convenient "get out of hell free" card, but I hope to grow each day in His love and bask in the Gift of His Blood.

So, all in all, it comes down to me understanding that Christ died for us, better yet- me, and that I have accepted His Gift. Even better- God has accepted His blood as payment in full for my sins. I use this to live right, not as a tool to sin.

But I am not forced to live under Jewish law and follow what they had to do in the desert. Although this may not be your point, it is the stand that some others here take.

Jesus commanded us to spread the Gospel, so I do. But, am I condemned if I just stay at home one night when I know I should be out knocking doors? No. I don't think so at all.

Jesus commanded us to love our neighbor, so I try. Am I condemned to hell if I get mad without cause in the heat of a bad moment? No, I don't believe that for a minute. I will take these short comings before God in prayer. If my heart is right, He will accept my prayer and forgive me for these things, but I don't think it has anything to do with my salvation. That much was settled 5 years ago.

Ok, I'm about done beating this one to death.

Sorry if I sounded rude, to CarolineS, or to anyone else. I really went about it the wrong way and let my emotions (the bad ones, anyway) get the best of my typing fingers.

Please accept my apology for rude behavior. I'll try to do it better.

Grace to you, and may the Lord keep us whole.

t.