Jesus

[artsylady]

Oh, the other difference is we don't "uphold the authority of the Bible from the very first verse." It's a 2000 year old book, that people adopted because it allowed more freedom than conservative Judaism at the time. If you told drug users your God allowed drugs you'd get a bigger following.

Thousands were jailed and were fed to lions or crucified or beheaded for their belief. It doesn't add up to 'easy'.

[Ovedya]

A paragraph starting with "Absolutely wrong" is not an answer. Essentially all you've done is to state your opinion. There is no answer to the question of why you find something wrong with the pursuit of the divine.

YOU ASKED FOR MY OPINION!

I can't believe I'm hearing you say this.

It's not just opinion either, I brought up how baseless you feel every other religion is and so you might have insight into what I think of chasing the devine. It's very much like what you think of Islam.

matt

Okay, to begin with, you did not state why you think the pursuit of the divine is wrong. That was more or less a short little diatribe of why you think Christianity[ is wrong. But if you really want me to accept, "because it is baseless" and accept that this is because of your impression of how Christianity perceives other religions, then fine. However, I was not asking you about Christianity.

Let me rephrase the question for you: In terms of religion as a whole - what it is according to all those who "practice faith," regardless of which religious affiliation they happen to belong to - what do you find wrong with the pursuit of the divine?

[Ovedya]

You bring it on yourself by accusing Christians of being arrogant for what we believe.

Oh please explain to everyone about Balaam and his talking donkey and try to keep a straight face. Try to include examples on how the donkey has a voice box similar to a humans that allows it to create complex sounds at will.

Please.

Ah, I see. So you don't believe that miraculous or even sometimes unexplainable events can happen, right?

[artsylady]

Absolutely wrong. The fact that it's as baseless as every religion before it and as baseless as you consider every religion around you that isn't yours. The fact that you serve a religion that is 1/300th of the worlds documented religions and feel it's the right ONE.

Where do you get the figure 1/300th? The Bible is probably more exhaustive than all other religious books out there.

You don't see people shake their heads no to the pastor on Sundays, he's just feeding them the knowledge that they chose right, and are right, and will be right.

My pastor sometimes feels he has things to say that people don't want to hear. I think you're generalizing a bit too much here.

Science doesn't do that and it's effect our lives way more than religion in just 200 years! Put down the book, and open another.

Science has been proven wrong in the past over and over again. And longer than the last 200 years. The Bible has yet to be proven somehow 'wrong'.

[Ovedya]

Matt,

I have been reading your post and I just want to say to you that Jesus Christ did exsist. There is probably nothing I can say to convince you but I pray that you at least be open to fact that He is the almighty.

You seem to be searching through science to find the answers that only God can give you.

I am not judging you only praying for you.

Taste and See that the Lord is good.

I am very curious about one thing. Do you believe there is a Satan?

There wouldn't be a satan without Christianity so no, I don't believe in Satan, or demons, or SIN, or faith, or repentance, or angels, or souls, or the Supernatural in general.

matt

Demonize me too? Cause I care, and why I'm here was something different a couple of weeks ago.

matt

Then why are you here, Matt?

Trying to show us ignorant Christians a thing or two, perhaps? Trying to educate this bunch of backwater illiterate "myth believers"?

You bring it on yourself by accusing Christians of being arrogant for what we believe.

Why do you care if a bunch of people chose to live their lives according to a certain vision?

Again, what is your purpose here?

I see the world differently and don't find anything good coming from YES MEN so I don't go to Atheistic sites. That leaves here.....

Why do you think I'm here? Was there something you wanted me to say?

BTW, that original post is on page 5.

matt

So you disagree with other atheists as well? You see atheist sites as being filled with a bunch of "yes men," so therefore you join up with a site that you know will also be filled with "yes men" of another type. Should I assume then that the only reason you are here is to argue?

Have you also joined up with other religious sites for the purpose of arguing against religion, such as Islamic, Judaism, or Buddhist, or have you just decided that you hate Christianity the most?

Why do I think you're here? I'll reserve that opinion until I've learned a little more.

Edited January 25, 2006 by Ovedya

[nebula]

If science has 'only theory'--be it ever so refined a theory--then science cannot, in the strictest sense 'contradict' anything!

Science is ever-changing.

Case in point, recent findings are suggesting the current model we have for solar system formation may be all wrong.

It's fun to adventure and puzzle, but to rely one's life upon itisl ike building a home on earthquake-prone ground.

What if the Bible is wrong and it's your cornerstone?

My faith is in Jesus - not "the Bible."

Jesus has made Himself so real to me that I can't walk away from Him. I know because I've tried - I really did try. But I'd have to throw out all the personal evidence He has given to me of His existance. Jesus is as real to me as the sunrise and the sunset, the wind, and the singing of birds.

Science is making gains, . . .

But science has never healed a broken heart, calmed a fear - or given me the strength to carry on when I was at the end of my rope.

To base someone's life off a 2000 year old book is nothing to brag about to me.

My, oh, my - sounding a bit touchy here! Did I strike a nerve?

You kind of slap everyone and tell them they aren't making any progress in this or that field.

Umm . . . please tell me where I said that.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Seriously!

Like modern day philosophers should just shut-up and go home.

I am home!

This is a Christian board here - you're the one who's "invading."

[artsylady]

Oh please explain to everyone about Balaam and his talking donkey and try to keep a straight face. Try to include examples on how the donkey has a voice box similar to a humans that allows it to create complex sounds at will.

It's kind of weird. When you look around and see the complexity of the universe and every living thing and system in it, it's not hard to see a God behind it all. But when you try to say that this same entity can cause an animal to speak, then you've just gone way too far. Like that could never happen.

[Inti]

It's kind of weird. When you look around and see the complexity of the universe and every living thing and system in it, it's not hard to see a God behind it all. But when you try to say that this same entity can cause an animal to speak, then you've just gone way too far. Like that could never happen.

Typical answer: "Because God made him speak".

I expected no less of this place.

You can all stick with your talking donkeys, and i'll stick with my equal rights for everyone and space aliens :tinfoil:

[Bolts]

Blessings All in Jesus Precious Name,

I have strong tribal affiliations. Because of this, it is easy for me to believe the family tree of Jesus, prayer, the miracles and the unusual events in the bible eg, talking donkey etc.

Academics, philosophy and science did not come into my life until I started school. So for me, there are no discrepencies as to whether Jesus existed or not. The documentations that existed before libraries and computers came along, were geneological, artifacts and other methods of recording history. In those days, it was common to come across people with photographic memories. These days we have computers to store all that. I praise the Lord for my tribal affiliations. It has been a door in openning up a beautiful relationship for me with our Wonderful Lord and Savior.

[Ovedya]

It's kind of weird. When you look around and see the complexity of the universe and every living thing and system in it, it's not hard to see a God behind it all. But when you try to say that this same entity can cause an animal to speak, then you've just gone way too far. Like that could never happen.

Typical answer: "Because God made him speak".

I expected no less of this place.

You can all stick with your talking donkeys, and i'll stick with my equal rights for everyone and space aliens :tinfoil:

If you expected no less of this place, then why even bother commenting on it?