Trinity and Monotheism

[Fiosh]

You feel pressured to say One God because the Bible repeatedly says One. Yet in your mind you say three. God is like three people with three bodies but of the same mind. Something that reason would dismiss. Never will you see evidence that three people can think and act the same in each and every thing all through eternity. So first off, you think that God is like people (not a good assumption). Second, you think God can be of one mind and have multiple bodies (two of which he never seems to show anyone). This is also a bad assumption. So, not being willing to interpret the meaning of Father, Son and Holy Spirit you jump to a belief in more than one God. However, Christ never ever said more than one Divine Person. Saying "Divine Persons" was just an attempt to hold the Catholic Church together late in their history. An attempt that was written and re-written into official church writings. So you can keep on looking at "official" church writings but remember the church, made of people, can make errors yet Jesus Christ does not. Jesus Christ said that His name saves and He alone has the keys to hell and death. Jesus Christ, after his ascending to the Father, is indeed God with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit within Him and coming from Him. Only Jesus says he will send the Holy Spirit. Only Jesus says the Father is with Him. Your understanding seems to want to dismiss Jesus's words that He alone is the redeemer. The one and only visible God in a Divine Human form.

Hey, bill, do you believe Satan is a person?

[ayin jade]

Acts 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, looking up intently into Heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

56 And he said, Behold, I see Heaven opened and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Seems clear here that there is a Trinity.

But then, Swedenborgiasm doesnt accept Acts as the God breathed scripture, probably because it contradicts the false writings of their false teacher.

[billcompugeek]

The mormons always use that verse to justify more than one God. The fact of the matter is that Jesus Christ derives His power and authority from the Love of God. That is because the right signifies Love and Power, and the Father signifies Divine Love. Jesus Christ does in fact say that there is the Trinity and that there is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Only the Nicean council said that God is like people with three bodies. This is an error that persists in the Church because protestant doctrine copied Catholic doctrine. God is not like people, and if he were, only one mind would be in one body supporting the fact that Jesus Christ is with the Father and send forth the Holy Spirit just like a person's soul, body and what the person does is a triune that is not thought of as split into more than one.

[Fiosh]

Acts 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, looking up intently into Heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

56 And he said, Behold, I see Heaven opened and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Seems clear here that there is a Trinity.

But then, Swedenborgiasm doesnt accept Acts as the God breathed scripture, probably because it contradicts the false writings of their false teacher.

This is one of the most poignant scenes in the Bible. I mean, just picture it. Steven, battered and bleeding from the rocks being brutally hurled at him. As he falls to the ground near death, he asks forgiveness for those responsible for causing the intense pain and taking his life. Then he looks to heaven and sees Jesus STANDING at the Father's right hand; the Holy Spirit is right there with Steven all the way, filling him with grace and courage.

Awesome.

This is the only place in Scripture where Jesus STANDS at the right hand of God. I've heard it theorized that it is either a sign of welcome or tribute to Steven. Have you ever heard the song "Stand" ? The lyrics have Jesus saying, "Steven, you stood for me, I will stand for you".

If we stand for Him, He will stand up for us! Amen!

Yes, bill, we worship Jesus. We believe He died for our sins and rose on the third day. We believe He ascended into heaven and sits at the Father's right hand. We believe He sends to us the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, to live in us, just as He promised.

WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD IN THREE PERSONS: THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

There are no secrets here. That is exactly what I believe.

Peace,

Fiosh

[Fiosh]

The mormons always use that verse to justify more than one God. The fact of the matter is that Jesus Christ derives His power and authority from the Love of God. That is because the right signifies Love and Power, and the Father signifies Divine Love. Jesus Christ does in fact say that there is the Trinity and that there is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Only the Nicean council said that God is like people with three bodies. This is an error that persists in the Church because protestant doctrine copied Catholic doctrine. God is not like people, and if he were, only one mind would be in one body supporting the fact that Jesus Christ is with the Father and send forth the Holy Spirit just like a person's soul, body and what the person does is a triune that is not thought of as split into more than one.

Hey, bill.............buddy...........have you noticed that you are the ONLY one saying that God has 3 bodies?

I believe you are now arguing with yourself. Nite nite!

[st. Worm]

bill, its fairly obvious to anyone following this discussion that all you have to fall back on are the canned quips that you are apparently copying from the pamphlets distributed by the cult you are a part of. You are so much like the poor 12 year olds the JW's send door to door to peddle their misguided message. Once you get them off their program, they are completely lost.

We can really only pray at this point that God will graciously lead you away from the millstone that is around your neck and to the Christ of the Bible.

[billcompugeek]

"Acts 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, looking up intently into Heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

56 And he said, Behold, I see Heaven opened and the SON OF MAN standing on the right hand of God.

Seems clear here that there is a Trinity"

Of course their is a trinity but not necessarily of Divine persons. God is not like people as you have just proved. Did you notice that Jesus is not only the Son of God but the Son of Man? That is because Jesus is the truth or the Word of God become flesh. The word Son does not mean a son like with people. If you want to dismiss parables (God's very own language, then read this verse as a son of man - it is impossible - you must see now that Son means Truth or the Word).

[Fiosh]

"Acts 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, looking up intently into Heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

56 And he said, Behold, I see Heaven opened and the SON OF MAN standing on the right hand of God.

Seems clear here that there is a Trinity"

Of course their is a trinity but not necessarily of Divine persons. God is not like people as you have just proved. Did you notice that Jesus is not only the Son of God but the Son of Man? That is because Jesus is the truth or the Word of God become flesh. The word Son does not mean a son like with people. If you want to dismiss parables (God's very own language, then read this verse as a son of man - it is impossible - you must see now that Son means Truth or the Word).

Well, now you're making sense, bill. Yes, God is not like people. Yes, Jesus is the Way,the Truth and the Life and the very Word of God. "and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us". Yes, son does not mean like with people. God is eternal........"in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".

Amen!

[EricH]

"Acts 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, looking up intently into Heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

56 And he said, Behold, I see Heaven opened and the SON OF MAN standing on the right hand of God.

Seems clear here that there is a Trinity"

Of course their is a trinity but not necessarily of Divine persons. God is not like people as you have just proved. Did you notice that Jesus is not only the Son of God but the Son of Man? That is because Jesus is the truth or the Word of God become flesh. The word Son does not mean a son like with people. If you want to dismiss parables (God's very own language, then read this verse as a son of man - it is impossible - you must see now that Son means Truth or the Word).

What if we could show you passages where Jesus claimed divinity for Himself?

[Guest gunner]

Hi..Just a note from a new member here...Paul writing to Titus in chapter 3, verse 9 says..."Don't get involved in arguing over unanswerable questions and controversial theological ideas"...(LB)

I too have had many discussions concerning the Trinity...Although that word, as far as I know doesn't appear in scripture...The relationship between the three members, entities or whatever you prefer, seems to be a subject that God has left in the faith category...As believers we know it exist...We know it is the very power of the universe, but it is beyond true understanding...For now...

Frankly, I would rather commit one act of kindness or complete one deed assigned me by the Holy Spirit than "win", "persuade" or "triumph" in all the Trinity dicussions to ever take place...I have to wonder how many of those bring a smile to God's face or the words "Well done" to his lips...

Theological discussion is a worthy (no pun) thing...But most often if it is used to build up a brother or sister rather than denigrate...And if the other party is not a believer...Well, what's the point...

Paul said in Ephesians 4 that the unsaved are blinded and confused, are far away from God and cannot understand his ways...It sounds offensive but they are Jesus words...Don't cast pearls before swine...Better one should give them pause through kindness and tolerance than confirmation through arrogance and conflict...

Easier to say than do I know...I write this as more a reminder to myself than anyone else...But it does seem good to have some other people of faith to interact with...Thank you for sharing your time and thoughts...And allowing me to do the same...Keep the faith...Gunner