Gay marriage question

[Keith]

'So, don't rely on God or His Word but rely on Christians and others? What other argument could Christians and other people develop that's more effective or truer than what God says in the Bible?"

Keith you can take that approach and hide behind your Bible but that will not win this argument in the legislatures and the courts. Your approach has really helped end the abortion tragedy hasn't it?

You can rely on accomplishing things your way and in your own strength if you want to. I'll stick to what's tried and true... God's Word. From what I've read of your posts, you seem to be angry a lot.

[apothanein kerdos]

Keep in mind that Paul never quoted scripture when dealing with the pagans at Mars Hill. He certainly used scriptural concepts....but he didn't appeal to it because it would have meant nothing to them. That is what St. Worm is advocating.

[Keith]

Keep in mind that Paul never quoted scripture when dealing with the pagans at Mars Hill. He certainly used scriptural concepts....but he didn't appeal to it because it would have meant nothing to them. That is what St. Worm is advocating.

Any view that includes "you better not rely on what the Bible says about it." is not a very good one. And when it includes insulting fellow Christians saying that we are "hiding behind our Bibles" is not a very Christ-like attitude or approach.

I'm not stupid. I understand fully what Worm is advocating. His method just leaves a lot to be desired.

[apothanein kerdos]

Keep in mind that Paul never quoted scripture when dealing with the pagans at Mars Hill. He certainly used scriptural concepts....but he didn't appeal to it because it would have meant nothing to them. That is what St. Worm is advocating.

Any view that includes "you better not rely on what the Bible says about it." is not a very good one. And when it includes insulting fellow Christians saying that we are "hiding behind our Bibles" is not a very Christ-like attitude or approach.

I'm not stupid. I understand fully what Worm is advocating. His method just leaves a lot to be desired.

No one is saying to abandon the Bible. Obviously we have to work on biblical principles....but we can't go around toting scripture when it won't have any effect on the people around us.

Think of it this way:

Blaster fire from an X-wing (yeah, I'm using Star Wars ) is pretty potent....but does nothing against the Death Star. Instead, you have to get inside the death start to blow it up.......it is the same with a lost person's worldview. We can't attack them from the outside....we have to let scriptural ideas sink it.

[Keith]

No one is saying to abandon the Bible. Obviously we have to work on biblical principles....but we can't go around toting scripture when it won't have any effect on the people around us.

Think of it this way:

Blaster fire from an X-wing (yeah, I'm using Star Wars ) is pretty potent....but does nothing against the Death Star. Instead, you have to get inside the death start to blow it up.......it is the same with a lost person's worldview. We can't attack them from the outside....we have to let scriptural ideas sink it.

As I said, I understand what he's saying and where he's coming from. My point is that the way he's going about it here on the boards, in discussions, using his blaster fire on people here, is hardly the correct way to go about anything. I agree with some of his points, but he is going about it in his own way, in his own strength. He has a lot of anger issues.

[Pax]

St. Worm is correct. You will never get anywhere quoting Bible verses to a openly homosexual. Just like when a Satanic worshipper gets on here I have to laugh when people start quoting the Bible to them. They could care less, just like a Christian would care less if a devil worshipper started quoting the satanic Bible to them. One has to keep the Bible and Christianity in mind but use another approach to get to them. Then if that works and they come to Christ, then introduce the Bible to them.

[apothanein kerdos]

No one is saying to abandon the Bible. Obviously we have to work on biblical principles....but we can't go around toting scripture when it won't have any effect on the people around us.

Think of it this way:

Blaster fire from an X-wing (yeah, I'm using Star Wars ) is pretty potent....but does nothing against the Death Star. Instead, you have to get inside the death start to blow it up.......it is the same with a lost person's worldview. We can't attack them from the outside....we have to let scriptural ideas sink it.

As I said, I understand what he's saying and where he's coming from. My point is that the way he's going about it here on the boards, in discussions, using his blaster fire on people here, is hardly the correct way to go about anything. I agree with some of his points, but he is going about it in his own way, in his own strength. He has a lot of anger issues.

We should be so happy he has the truth down....let us worry about the delivery later and celebrate the fact he at least knows truth....that is an attribute ignored by many.

[Guest singin_4_christ]

'So, don't rely on God or His Word but rely on Christians and others? What other argument could Christians and other people develop that's more effective or truer than what God says in the Bible?"

Keith you can take that approach and hide behind your Bible but that will not win this argument in the legislatures and the courts. Your approach has really helped end the abortion tragedy hasn't it?

If i may cut in... in a legal system you would simply have to start by pointing out the argument that in the court room there are to be no references to the bible or its contents unless being sworn in.

[Guest AGC 4 Life]

Its not a US Constitutional issue at this point. Its a state issue. Marriage is regulated by the individual states.

...............besides, laws can be written to give special contracts that involve the binding of assets etc without using the word 'marriage" to define it.

I agree, but I need more legal reasons why gay marriage should stay illegal.

[Guest singin_4_christ]

while you need legal reasons.....i am not the best person to give them to you as i am only 14