Gay marriage question

[Pax]

Its not a US Constitutional issue at this point. Its a state issue. Marriage is regulated by the individual states.

...............besides, laws can be written to give special contracts that involve the binding of assets etc without using the word 'marriage" to define it.

I agree, but I need more legal reasons why gay marriage should stay illegal.

I would start by asking a person why isn't Polygamy (When a person has several husbands or wives at the same time) legal. Or why can't two or three couples get together and form one marriage. Or why can't a man marry a 10 year old girl. Or why can't a person marry their dog. We must define marriage or else anything goes. This is why we have laws. Laws are put in place to protect society. If we are going to define marriage than it is only logical to define marriage as a binding union between one man and one women as it has been done since the begining of time. Homosexuality, although present since the begining of time hasn't ever been associated with normal behavior until recently by misguided people. Homosexuality is an unnatural behavior, or sexual disorder just like pedophilla. Its just that Hollywood, the media for the most part, and other liberal elements within our society, (even some religious denominations) have been duped into believing that homosexuality is on the same level as heterosexuality. This is wrong. I hope this will help shed some light on the matter.

[Guest AGC 4 Life]

Homosexuality, although present since the begining of time hasn't ever been associated with normal behavior until recently by misguided people. Homosexuality is an unnatural behavior, or sexual disorder just like pedophilla.

See this is where my argument hits a brick wall. Is there any "scientific" proof that homosexuality is a sexual disorder? IMO, homosexuality is a sexual disorder obviously for "physical" reasons.

But I'm talking about legal Constitutional reasons why gay marriage should be banned.

*just searching for debate ammo thats all*

[Guest Kilad]

Homosexual behavior isn

[Guest AGC 4 Life]

Homosexual behavior isn

Edited February 7, 2006 by AGC 4 Life

[Guest Kilad]

I am searching now for specific laws that have been in effect then and now, hopefully within the next couple of days I will be able to give you specific quotes.

[Guest Kilad]

Here are some quotes from some of our founding fathers to illistrate their mindset.

"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools." (Congress of the United States, 1782)

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens." (George Washington's Farewell address: Friday, January 8, 1790)

"It is in an especial manner our duty as a people, with devout reverence and affectionate gratitude, to acknowledge our many and great obligations to Almighty God, and to implore Him to continue to confirm the blessings we experienced. Deeply penetrated with this sentiment, I, George Washington, President of the United States, do recommend to all religious societies and denominations, and to all persons whomsoever within the United States, to set apart and observe Thursday, the 19th day of February next, as a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, and on that day to meet together and render sincere and hearty thanks to the great Ruler of nations for the manifold and signal mercies which distinguish our lot as a nation." (George Washington)

"Before any man can be considered as a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe. And to the same Divine Author of every good and perfect gift (James 1:17) we are indebted for all those privileges and advantages...which are so richly enjoyed in this favored land." (James Madison, author of the Constitution)

We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." (James Madison)

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers. It is to be regretted, but so I believe the fact to be, that except the Bible there is not a true history in the world." (John Jay, Founding Father and first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court)

"Let a general reformation of manners take place--let universal charity, public spirit, and private virtue be inculcated, encouraged, and practiced. Unite in preparing for a vigorous defense of your country, as if all depended on your own exertions. And when you have done all things, then rely upon the Good Providence of Almighty God for success, in full confidence that without His blessings, all our efforts will inevitably fail." (John Jay)

[book_wirm]

I would start by asking a person why isn't Polygamy legal. Or why can't two or three couples get together and form one marriage. Or why can't a man marry a 10 year old girl. Or why can't a person marry their dog. We must define marriage or else anything goes. If we are going to define marriage than it is only logical to define marriage as a binding union between one man and one women as it has been done since the begining of time.

You make a good point in that we must define marriage or else it becomes anything we wish to make it, however...

You make quite a jump when you say it is "only logical to define marriage as...". We have record of marriages which today we would find taboo, or even vulgar, yet there exists nothing in their nature to make them so. Consider polygamy in the scripture. Not only does God regulate it (thus implying allowance) but He chastises David for his affair with Bathsheba, saying the He would have given him more wives Himself. Consider also that in time past the age differences between a bride and groom would today lead to legal trouble for one of the spouses. Certainly, 10 years old is improper, but we do know that at times it has not been thought ill of for a 25-30 year old man to marry a 15 or 16 year old girl. This is where we must be careful to ensure our "definition of marriage" is based on God's word and moral absolution rather than current cultural norms.

In Christ,

Eric

[apothanein kerdos]

Its not a US Constitutional issue at this point. Its a state issue. Marriage is regulated by the individual states.

...............besides, laws can be written to give special contracts that involve the binding of assets etc without using the word 'marriage" to define it.

I agree, but I need more legal reasons why gay marriage should stay illegal.

I gave you ammo....where is it a constitutional issue? It's an issue left up to the states, not the Constitution. By trying to read it into the Constitution, it takes this power away from the states. THe reason for this is that a majority of states would reject homosexual marriages (12 already have).

Thus, the issue is a state issue, not a Constitutional issue. You were asked a false question.

[Guest AGC 4 Life]

This is where we must be careful to ensure our "definition of marriage" is based on God's word and moral absolution rather than current cultural norms.

This is where another "wall" pops up because one (a liberal) would say that we're not a theocracy. btw I brought this question up on another board I go to and it turned into a 3 to 1 debate, me being the 1.

I responded by saying "The Constitution said nothing about marriage. Marriage is a question the Constitution wisely leaves to the people to decide in their respective states." In response I got the old "you still didn't answer my question" routine over and over and over again, but in reality I did answer the question. Its boiling down to unless I hear what I want to hear, you'll never answer the question.

Edited February 7, 2006 by AGC 4 Life

[Guest Trever]

Its not a US Constitutional issue at this point. Its a state issue. Marriage is regulated by the individual states.

...............besides, laws can be written to give special contracts that involve the binding of assets etc without using the word 'marriage" to define it.

I agree, but I need more legal reasons why gay marriage should stay illegal.

I would start by asking a person why isn't Polygamy (When a person has several husbands or wives at the same time) legal. Or why can't two or three couples get together and form one marriage. Or why can't a man marry a 10 year old girl. Or why can't a person marry their dog. We must define marriage or else anything goes. This is why we have laws. Laws are put in place to protect society. If we are going to define marriage than it is only logical to define marriage as a binding union between one man and one women as it has been done since the begining of time. Homosexuality, although present since the begining of time hasn't ever been associated with normal behavior until recently by misguided people. Homosexuality is an unnatural behavior, or sexual disorder just like pedophilla. Its just that Hollywood, the media for the most part, and other liberal elements within our society, (even some religious denominations) have been duped into believing that homosexuality is on the same level as heterosexuality. This is wrong. I hope this will help shed some light on the matter.

There is a HUGE difference. Homosexuality is between two concenting adults!! the other 'sexual disorders' are not.