Iran Vs. America - Round Two

[Christ's Free Servant]

Iran Vs. America

[Smalcald]

Well that is interesting stuff.

Right now all intelligence estimates are that Iran is at least five years off from being able to produce even one nuclear device, let alone to test a nuclear device. Thus if they do indeed conduct a true underground detonation and test in March it would be a total shocker and would I think provoke immediate action.

I worry more about an Islamic takeover in Pakistan, which would immediately put operational nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists, if they are not already secretly in control of them anyway in Pakistan.

[Marnie]

Well that is interesting stuff.

Right now all intelligence estimates are that Iran is at least five years off from being able to produce even one nuclear device, let alone to test a nuclear device. Thus if they do indeed conduct a true underground detonation and test in March it would be a total shocker and would I think provoke immediate action.

I worry more about an Islamic takeover in Pakistan, which would immediately put operational nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists, if they are not already secretly in control of them anyway in Pakistan.

The problem with Iran is that a kook is in charge. I know for sure that our gov't is extremely interested in Iran.

[Arthur Durnan]

And Iran is very vulnerable to a strategic (pilotless) nuclear strike on its facilities including its harbor site re oil being shipped out for big money. There's no doubt whatever in my mind that the UN is totally powerless & completely unwilling to do anything about Iran....so the ultimate conclusion is that freedom-loving America can and certainly WILL hit Iran very shortly. Unless Israel beats America to it.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[Christ's Free Servant]

Do you think the author has a valid argument that we went to Iraq not because of weapons of mass destruction, but in order to maintain our economy and our way of life here in the USA? It is all about oil and the US$ and about survival as a nation, if I understood the author correctly. And, if we fight Iran it will be to keep them from destroying our economy? Did anyone else get that out of the article? And, if so, do you think that is valid? I have heard others say we went into Iraq because of oil. It is about maintaining control, I think. What do you think?

[deadman1204]

there is no doubt we did not go to iraq over clear reason. Look back over the last couple years, you will notice how the given reason for going to iraq changed every few months. The white house was scrambling for a few years to justify the mess they had created.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

I moved this to Prophecy.

I also want to include the comments of the owner and operator of Masternewmedia.org.

Quote Robin Good Masternewmedia.org;

It is in this very light that today I bring in, like every Monday before, an editorial piece written last week by Economics Professor Krassimir Petrov, on what may happen to oil-related dollar-based exchanges in the near future.

I think this is an excellent and thought-provoking article and while I can't say whether you should trust or not the conclusions to which Prof. Petrov arrives to, I certainly recommend that you analyze and consider the facts and options presented in this article with true curiosity and an open mind.

Apparently the article is based on a piece written in specualtion by a European Economics Professor named Krassimir Petrov.

In other words this is mere speculation and borderline Conspiracy theory. It is opinion and speculation not fact. Read it as such.

Please continue the discussion. However if it enters the realm of Conspiracy Theory's. I will remove it.

My impression is that Iraq is just one skirmish in a long and protracted War that started way before 9/11. If we desired the oil? Why did we just not take it? In actuality the reason the Europeans were upset with us is due in large fact to the large amounts of money they were indeed making in the Oil for Food Scandel. This was engineered by the U.N. and not the U.S. and is quite possibly the largest reason for inaction by the U.N. for more than eight years in the face of Resolution after Resolution being broken by Saddam.

Secondly if it were about control? Why give them their country back and allow them to run it as they see fit?

More than likely it was a masterful stroke of genius to preoccupy the Terrorists in Iraq and keep them off our own soil until we could gain the upperhand on them. Remember we started from more than two decades of ignoring the problem while it built up. Closing our eyes and wishing the monster under the bed would simply go away. However it has reared it's ugly head and is threatening to now devour all those whom have tried to sleep with it. (Case in point France, now threatening Nuclear War after practically losing control over their own society. Scared to death is the Political class in that society). Either that or the biggest Strategic mistake ever made? Only time will tell.

Just My opinon which you did ask for.

Peace,

Dave

[Christ's Free Servant]

Just My opinon which you did ask for.

Peace,

Dave

Dave,

Thanks so much for your insight. I am no economist nor do I understand world affairs very well. I read this article, I had heard others say similar things, so I wondered what others thought about it. I like to check things out, and this seemed like a good place to do it. There are a lot of people here who know a whole lot more about world affairs and economics than I will ever know, so I value everyone's opinions and thoughts on the subject.

Thanks to all who have offered opinions and who have yet to offer opinions. I'm not a conspiracy theory kind of person, so I have no intentions of turning this into that. I just wanted input and feedback. So, thanks so much for everything!

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Bless you sister,

That is why I left it up. You were asking for opinions. It actually is an intriguing article. I put it in Prophecy because it is speculation on future possibly Prophetic events.

I always look behind the article to see motivations though.

Peace,

Dave

[Smalcald]

But there is nothing wrong with being involved in the Middle East because it is strategically important, mainly for energy reasons. I don't think we should be ashamed of that. I do think we should not have to do all of the heavy lifting though, we don't need to be nearly so heavily involved militarily in that region of the world as we are, or the rest of the world for that matter. But President Bush did not start our involvement in the Middle East. We have parked a good portion of our Navy in the Gulf and Mediterranean for many decades, we have had bases and troops in the region for decades, and we didn't care too much about democracy then.

If we care about Democracy and dictators we would have found much easier places to invade which are killing far more of their own people than Saddam did. I mean the world is full of dictators, but the world is not full of oil, which we need for our economy. So to say we are somehow in the Middle East only because of terrorism or democracy is simply not true, we have been there for decades, and have been there because of their energy resources. I don't think we invaded Iraq purely for oil, I do think that the reasons were a mixed bag of strategic interests, an honest belief they had WMD's, and also simply some major screw ups in policy and military planning. We thought we would be long gone by now, we thought it would cost only about a quarter of what it has cost so far, let alone what it will eventually cost.

We will have to deal with Iran at some point. I think better to fund or initiate a coup, or start the process of funding armed resistance by Iranians who don't like their government. Or alternatively simply lay back and let the Europeans sweat this one out, they will fail sooner or later, if they don't fail great, if they do, well we may have to really look at some drastic options which don't involve invasion, tactical nuclear strikes could work and serve as a severe deterrent, as long as we coordinated what we were going to do with Russia and China.