niv or kjv- which is right

[deershot]

I thought David killed Goliath in the Bible. That is what I was taught when I was young. That came from the

King James Version. Since new bible translations have came out why has David killing goliath changed.

If the bible versions are all suppose to be Gods word but some easy to understand. why the confusion.

God is not the author of confusion.

Example- 2 samuel 21:19 In another battle with the philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim

the bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weavers rod. (NIV BIBLE)

2 Samuel 21: 19 and again there was a battle in Gob with the philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare-Oregim

a bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weavers beam. (KJV bible)

The niv bible says Elhanan killed Goliath

The KJV says Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath

[Aviator227]

I thought David killed Goliath in the Bible. That is what I was taught when I was young. That came from the

King James Version. Since new bible translations have came out why has David killing goliath changed.

If the bible versions are all suppose to be Gods word but some easy to understand. why the confusion.

God is not the author of confusion.

Example- 2 samuel 21:19 In another battle with the philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim

the bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weavers rod. (NIV BIBLE)

2 Samuel 21: 19 and again there was a battle in Gob with the philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare-Oregim

a bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weavers beam. (KJV bible)

The niv bible says Elhanan killed Goliath

The KJV says Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath

I will check this up tonight, and get back to you about this. I would say that the KJV is correct in this passage because NIV follows a thought by thought translation, not word for word.

Hey I just found this on NET Bible - http://www.bible.org/netbible/index.htm

34sn The Hebrew text as it stands reads, “Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite.” Who killed Goliath the Gittite? According to 1 Sam 17:4-58 it was David who killed Goliath, but according to the MT of 2 Sam 21:19 it was Elhanan who killed him. Many scholars believe that the two passages are hopelessly at variance with one another. Others have proposed various solutions to the difficulty, such as identifying David with Elhanan or positing the existence of two Goliaths. But in all likelihood the problem is the result of difficulties in the textual transmission of the Samuel passage; in fact, from a text-critical point of view the books of Samuel are the most poorly preserved of all the books of the Hebrew Bible. The parallel passage in 1 Chr 20:5 reads, “Elhanan son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath.” Both versions are textually corrupt. The Chronicles text has misread “Bethlehemite” (בֵּית הַלַּחְמִי, bet hallakhmi) as the accusative sign followed by a proper name אֶת לַחְמִי (’et lakhmi). (See the note at 1 Chr 20:5.) The Samuel text misread the word for “brother” (אַח, ’akh) as the accusative sign (אֵת, ’et), thereby giving the impression that Elhanan, not David, killed Goliath. Thus in all probability the original text read, “Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath.”

Edited February 22, 2006 by Aviator227

[Aviator227]

I thought David killed Goliath in the Bible. That is what I was taught when I was young. That came from the

King James Version. Since new bible translations have came out why has David killing goliath changed.

If the bible versions are all suppose to be Gods word but some easy to understand. why the confusion.

God is not the author of confusion.

Example- 2 samuel 21:19 In another battle with the philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim

the bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weavers rod. (NIV BIBLE)

2 Samuel 21: 19 and again there was a battle in Gob with the philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare-Oregim

a bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weavers beam. (KJV bible)

The niv bible says Elhanan killed Goliath

The KJV says Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath

Don't be so quick to judge. Here is an article that shows the KJV to be in error:

click here

Cool, very descriptive. Anyone else who's stuck, make sure you click that link and have a good read of the stuff there!

[Leonard]

I'm at work, if somebody has access to a Masoratic Text, you can settle it very easily......

[deadman1204]

you will also notice how the niv completely leaves out many verses. Watch the numbering, it will somtimes say go from 34 to 39 with nothing inbetween. Alot of this is due to the writers of the NIV holding certain views.

One big one is they do not beleive in Christs divinity. They changed most every verse they could about this except for the ones that were so painfully obvious they couldnt do anything about it.

[Khristeeanos]

If someone believes the KJV to be the best Bible, than read it.

If I read the NIV, don't tell me I am reading a satanic bible because that is just absurd.

People quote from the av1611 website which is mostly full of hate and misrepresentations.

If the translators (not the "writers") of the NIV were trying to take out the references to Christ's deity, they sure did a lousy job.

Each and every chapter in John has it in there.

I mean, what gifts did Jesus receive at birth?

Incense is only fit for God.

[apothanein kerdos]

Well the NIV certainly deserves criticism...but then again, so does any other translation. We have to constantly be searching the manuscripts we have to make sure that the translations are adequate. Even the KJV fails on certain levels.

As for myself, I'm a big fan of the NASB.

[Iryssa]

*sigh*

Goliath was likely a family or tribal name, so they are both right. To use an example in Jane Austen's time, when people were known by their family names...The first daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Bennett (who would have been called that by most people, even many close friends), would have been called "Miss Bennett" until she were married. Her sisters would also be called "Miss Bennett" if they were in a situation where their older sisters were not around to get the names confused...otherwise they'd be known by their first names "Miss Elizabeth" and so on.

[EricH]

Well the NIV certainly deserves criticism...but then again, so does any other translation. We have to constantly be searching the manuscripts we have to make sure that the translations are adequate. Even the KJV fails on certain levels.

As for myself, I'm a big fan of the NASB.

I agree, I like the NASB best, but the docrine of inerrancy only applies to the original manuscripts

[Iryssa]

I can only type with one hand right now, so I'll make this brief:

The translation debate is rediculous. Read what you are comfortable with. If it's KJV only, fine. If it's NIV, fine. If it's NASB fine. Whatever. But this pointless debate is getting nowhere.