Jack Van Impe

[Guest shadow2b]

AHHHhhhh my dear BROTHER William---man you do explain a subject down to the n/th degree----

I'VE learned so much from your teachings & I believe our hearts are becoming knitted together...

I Believe you are quite correct on misplaced loyalty--dedicated to one-another--yes--but not at the expense of truth being cast away..... COMPROMISE ---I canNOT abide--nor will I, there is just something inside me that detests--hates-despises--compromise---It'S 100% TRUTH or nothing...

have you ever heard anyone say;--{well you have to make compromises to get anything done???}

That just drives me up a tree----quick-----Thank you brother--keep us on the right path with the proper light with the correct perspective---------GOD-BLESS-----------Gary---

[Guest shadow2b]

Blindseeker: As always, you've given me much to study and meditate on.

I'm printing your post and will probably read and reread over several times.

I have been so desperately needing to hear this. Oh, how hard balance can be at times.

You were so transparent with us on one of your posts and our past experiences so affect us, don't they?

In my case, I really understand what Jesus went through with Judas. I have been horribly betrayed by a friend and left devastated.

When I see people being "beat up" on or badgered, my blood boils. I hate it when I see people who seem to feed on rumor and conspiracy theories.

It really disturbs me because I recognize the spirit behind it...and it's a dark, dark spirit. I'm one who always stands up for the "underdog"...I'm the kind of kid who'd stand up against a bunch of bullies picking on the little kid at school...that's who I am, Seeker.

When I think someone's out to hurt others, I see red. I go into "protect and defend" mode.

I think I understand what you're saying...but I have to read and absorb what you say, *you say it so well* but I want to grasp it fully and completely.

You have a talent for explaining things ...but I usually have to study it and not brush through it...and think it through very carefully.

I know you have a good heart and are a humble man. I also know you're not out to harm anyone...but you're intent on defending the Word and standing firm on the Lord's precepts.

And yes, I do indeed wrestle with the emotional aspects because I, too have been wounded, and by harsh and critical persons. So when I think someone's being belittled or judged harshly, I run to their defense.

I will really think about what you've said. It shines much light on what I've been struggling with.

MY little sister----I can understand how loving, kind & loyal you are, as a matter of fact i've experienced that loyalty with you when what i really needed was a swift kick & a sharp rebuke------

I know exactly how you feel on being betrayed by a close "friend"??? YEAH, i had a "friend" like that, one that i trusted with my life,the safety & protection of my family..I had no doubt whatsoever about this friend of thirty years.....HE was the one that came to my house this week & asked my forgiveness, which he instantly received,BUT trust??-LOVE??-be my best "friend" again??? NEVER in a million years.....SO you are not alone in your struggles & pain, as i struggle with a lot of the same things PLUS about a million more--GOD-BLESS--------------Gary---

[Guest shadow2b]

I hate when some of you get on here and start attacking peoples ministries as you do!

You seem to get a high out of wronging other preachers of the gospel!?

Well, if it makes you feel more justified and gives you self satisfaction, continue on, but be warned that God takes no pleasure in this and you shall have to answer to Him.

voice----THESE are INcorrect statements you've made---there is no one on these boards that get

{A HIGH} out of {wronging???} others supposed ministries--Some of these so called ministers are

nothing more than {liars--thieves--hucksters after the almighty $$$$$--satanists--false-prophets-false-teachers} but you in your youthfull exuberance, so dedicated to your "ministry" that you see thru rose-colored glasses that anyone that claims to be a minister IS a minister which is not only wrong but very dangerous....There are FALSE PROPHETS all over the world but especially in the U.S.A. ...why??? this is where the big $$$$$$$$ IS----voice--there are several "ministers" on these boards & some have tried to tell you in a loving brotherly way that you need to really take a time out & study & pray & ask GOD IF HE has really "called" you to be a "prophet"???? YET you continually reject any thought that maybe --just possibly--you might NOT have been called to be a prophet.. YOU see voice, your "WORDS" themselves on this very thread in this very post are NOT the words, the attitude, nor the judgements of a true GOD-called prophet of GOD----I will try one more time to give you some very good--brotherly advice......Take your wife, your children{ if they're old enough}, go to a secluded quiet,place, get on your knees with them & doNOT get up until GOD HIMSELF CONFIRMS to ALL of you that HE has or hasNOT called you to be a prophet---

AS it is NOW,YOU are trying to do the job of THE HOLY-SPIRIT, which is to guide us into all truth,correct us when we are wrong,reveal to us what HE has heard and to shew us things to come.....you can read that in the gospels--in red----GOD-BLESS------------------Gary

[Catsmeow]

Thank you, Gary...I guess we all bring some baggage with us. When I see people attack others outright then call it "exposing evil" I cringe...

Yes, I know...there really are those out there who pasture themselves on their sheep. I know there are false teachers and false prophets. I understand that.

I also understand that there's a reason why the master of the field gave the order NOT to pull up the tares with the wheat. It can do so much harm to the wheat itself.

We must be so very careful to tread lightly, less we do harm to our brothers. People are so very quick to judge. It's a tough call, isn't it? It's tough because we want to be loving and loyal to our brothers yet not tolerate sin and blatent error.

What can I say? I have seen poor Munari who just began to reach out and open up to us...only to be barbequed by those who despise Catholics.

We were slowly making progress. Now he's gone. Our one and only Catholic. We were having a really good dialogue, too. It was friendly and positive dialogue. I feel sick at heart.

When he PMd me, he was HURT! Deeply hurt. And yes, I am angry...really angry. When he PMd me to tell this is why he left...(referring to very unkind posts by some).

When people come along who have no love for others, only hostile raging, it serves no purpose than to wound. Love is patient; love is kind.

No one will accomplish the "mission field" with Catholics by beating them into the ground. When you love people, they feel it. They sense it. They perceive it. When you hate them...they feel that also. I'm afraid so did Munari. Now he's gone.

UPDATE: I'm editing this to say that apparently Munari is posting on the Advanced Forum *thank goodness* where there is a little more kindness and gentleness to be found.

I'm glad, too. We agree to disagree but we do it in gentleness of spirit.

Edited August 30, 2003 by catsmeow

[Voice Of God]

YOU see voice, your "WORDS" themselves on this very thread in this very post are NOT the words, the attitude, nor the judgements of a true GOD-called prophet of GOD----I will try one more time to give you some very good--brotherly advice......Take your wife, your children{ if they're old enough}, go to a secluded quiet,place, get on your knees with them & doNOT get up until GOD HIMSELF CONFIRMS to ALL of you that HE has or hasNOT called you to be a prophet---

Those words were mine.. not from God!

And as far as your advice Gary... Been there and done that and still doing it!

[Guest shadow2b]

YOU see voice, your "WORDS" themselves on this very thread in this very post  are NOT the words, the attitude, nor the judgements of a true GOD-called prophet of  GOD----I will try one more time to give you some very good--brotherly advice......Take your wife, your children{ if they're old enough}, go to a secluded quiet,place, get on your knees with them & doNOT get up until GOD HIMSELF  CONFIRMS to ALL of you that HE has or hasNOT called you to be a prophet---

Those words were mine.. not from God!

And as far as your advice Gary... Been there and done that and still doing it!

OKEY--DOKEY---IF YOU KNOW--THAT YOU KNOW--THAT YOU--KNOW--THAT YOU KNOW-----

GO FOR IT BRO.------------Gary----- :il:

[Guest Test4echo]

The Van Impe's are in my opinion, the most sincere, loving and biblically rooted ministers of any ministry.

I believe they have saved an emormous amount of Souls.

Sure there may be some Doctrinal differences or opinions some would disagree with but there is NO Doubt they are in Christ.

Anyone who bickers about pre-trib or post-trib is missing the point anyway.

I have never once, heard the Van Impes contradict anything in Scripture. I've been watching them 11 years.

In fact, many prophecies in the bible, i have witnessed because of the Van Impes guidence.

11 years ago, many things they helped me to understand had not yet happened. Then they did. Praise the Lord!

I will continue to watch and support thier ministry.

For those who speak ill of them, lets see your hand and what you hold against them.

[Catsmeow]

I like em'. Always have. Not sure I agree with everything Jack says but no doubt he's in love with the Lord.

That's what counts in my book.

[Voice Of God]

The Van Impe's ministry was a direct tool used by God to awaken me into the kingdom of God. I can recall one day I was smoking pot and watching them on TV, then rushing to the phone to call one of my stoner friends to say... "Hey man, Jesus is coming!" after listening to them preach. Their message one of the tools that persuaded me into wanting to live for God!

Anyone that goes against their ministry had better check their hearts and think twice! God does not take lightly those that go against His ministers of the gospel.

[Guest dove2]

I hate when some of you get on here and start attacking peoples ministries as you do!

You seem to get a high out of wronging other preachers of the gospel!?

Well, if it makes you feel more justified and gives you self satisfaction, continue on, but be warned that God takes no pleasure in this and you shall have to answer to Him.

Voice,

I just wanted to let you know that I got that tape in that I was telling you when I first started posting. I received it 2 days after posting. It did confirm what I had heard. I intend to start a post on this when I can do so in the love of the Lord. Right now, I am so heartbroken about what is going on I can not say what I want to in love as far as this tape is concerned. I do believe we should tell people if a preacher is taking thousands of people down the wide road to destruction.

Gary is very heartbroken about what is actually going on also. He has cried over the children these ministries have taken away from the Lord. Hopefully before long I can start this thread in love. First I have to get over all the hurt and shock this has caused me to realize preachers are standing in the pulpit today doing what they are doing. This is a very heart wrenching subject and has caused me much pain and taught me to watch every word a person says.

Just to let you know this is not being judgemental when I start this post, it will be just warning others what is going on in some pulpits today.

Thank God for the people on this board that has uplifted me when coming out of the movement this tape concerns.

I know you won't agree with me exposing these ministers, but remember Paul did the same thing.

Believe me I do not get a high out of exposing these preachers. I wish with all my heart that these things were not true. Gary and I have both cried our eyes out after finding out that these things are true. God does take pleasure if we keep His children from traveling the wrong road.

Patsy