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God created us and God created animals

God gives us life and God gives animals life

What is it that allows us free will, but not animals?

How does that differ from animals?

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Only when we free tibet can we free will......

Anyway, humans don't have free will. Our will is, in fact, very limited. It is limited to the point that we can choose to serve God or to sin, but past that we cannot do anything. Even our capability for evil is held back by God. Because God interacts with humanity, man has a very limited will.

Regardless, what seperates us from the animals is that we are in God's image...not our ability to choose (animals choose all the time...just nto intelligently and based upon survival).

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God created us and God created animals

God gives us life and God gives animals life

What is it that allows us free will, but not animals?

How does that differ from animals?

If you didn't realize... Look at the difference in care that God spent on us, compared to animals.

He said "Let there be ____" and it was there.... But for us, he actually used His hands. He picked up his newly created dust, and breathed life into us. The animals didn't get that. This is also why I do not believe they have souls. They did NOT receive the Breath of Life, nor did they have anything happen for them to appear, other than God speaking....

(with the animal soul issue... I mean really- think about it. What is an animal? If you start saying dogs and cats have souls... what about cattle? Deer? Bugs? Bacteria? (viruses aren't alive)... where would it all end?Also, how CAN they, not having the breath of God? The day they were created on, has no bearing.)

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Only when we free tibet can we free will......

Anyway, humans don't have free will. Our will is, in fact, very limited. It is limited to the point that we can choose to serve God or to sin, but past that we cannot do anything. Even our capability for evil is held back by God. Because God interacts with humanity, man has a very limited will.

Regardless, what seperates us from the animals is that we are in God's image...not our ability to choose (animals choose all the time...just nto intelligently and based upon survival).

in the broader sense, yes, we can choose to serve God or serve our sinful natures. but God gave mankind dominion over the earth. He will not interfere or intervene unless He is ASKED to. His word is Holy, and God never goes back on it. When we read in scripture that God gave us control, He meant it. God has no authority to override the will of man unless given that authority BY man, because to do so would breach His Holy declaration. this is why prayer is so critical among christians. it's also why man has "free will" that animals do not have... because God gave us dominion over them, and over all the earth.

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He will not interfere or intervene unless He is ASKED to.

The Bible inherently proves this statement wrong.

Dominion does not mean absolute control....it means we are stewards to a point.

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ah man apo, I think Will is totally outta luck heh

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ah man apo, I think Will is totally outta luck heh

Poor will........first we're told to free him....then we're told to fire at him.....

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He will not interfere or intervene unless He is ASKED to.

The Bible inherently proves this statement wrong.

I would have to agree with LadyC. Adam relinquished our "dominion" over all the earth and the animals, and Christ has returned it to us, but in accordance with the "will of God", for if we ask anything according to His WILL, it shall be done for us. Show us the verses you refer to.

Dominion does not mean absolute control....it means we are stewards to a point.

Absolutely, we are to be good stewards in all that He has given us, again, according to His WILL. As Christians we are what Adam was supposed to be, but gave up his dominion to the Serpent.

Blessings,

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I would have to agree with LadyC. Adam relinquished our "dominion" over all the earth and the animals, and Christ has returned it to us, but in accordance with the "will of God", for if we ask anything according to His WILL, it shall be done for us. Show us the verses you refer to.

God will do His will whether He is asked to do it or not. If He had to be asked, then we wouldn't exist (no one asked Him to create man).

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God will do His will whether He is asked to do it or not. If He had to be asked, then we wouldn't exist (no one asked Him to create man).

AGAIN, verses please. It took an ass to change Balak's mind. It took a whale to change Jonah's mind. God has certainly intervened in history, that is not the argument, God USES every condition/situation of man to bring glory to Himself, for good or for evil. But you seem to be hinting at God having created a bunch of robots, which is not the case at all. He makes it plain: "Choose you this day whom you shall serve." This may appear as a conundrum, because God's purposes will be fulfilled no matter what we do, either for good or for evil. Yet we do CHOOSE!"

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

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