Two friends.. homosexuals???

[Twilightki]

I'm bisexual. I was straight, and as my puberty grew I became bisexual...around...the age of 13/14, I don't know why, but I just started to like men and women. And im not confused because ive been in relationships with men and women, so I know what I am.

Frankly, I can't say I believe anything in the bible. I'm sorry if I offend anyone with that statement, but I just can't lay my trust in something that was written a few thousand years ago (I think) that could have been written by anyone, I just can't do it, aside form the stories being far fetched.

[kittylover0991]

so.. if someone when they were little was attracted to people of the same gender(i have seem it happen)... and then when they hit puberty... they want to be straight.. it that not possible?

[kittylover0991]

I'm bisexual. I was straight, and as my puberty grew I became bisexual...around...the age of 13/14, I don't know why, but I just started to like men and women. And im not confused because ive been in relationships with men and women, so I know what I am.

Frankly, I can't say I believe anything in the bible. I'm sorry if I offend anyone with that statement, but I just can't lay my trust in something that was written a few thousand years ago (I think) that could have been written by anyone, I just can't do it, aside form the stories being far fetched.

I am really sorry you feel this way... I dont' know how I could go without God's Word as my guide... I'll be praying for you that God would show you His truths as He sees fit...

[Times]

I'm bisexual. I was straight, and as my puberty grew I became bisexual...around...the age of 13/14, I don't know why, but I just started to like men and women. And im not confused because ive been in relationships with men and women, so I know what I am.

Frankly, I can't say I believe anything in the bible. I'm sorry if I offend anyone with that statement, but I just can't lay my trust in something that was written a few thousand years ago (I think) that could have been written by anyone, I just can't do it, aside form the stories being far fetched.

How much time have you spent in the Bible. How much time have you spent asking God to show you the truth. Do you want to know the truth???? God loves you. He will show you the truth if you want to know and ask Him. Seek it and you will find it. God gave us his word to live by. Homosexuallity is a sin just like lying is a sin. The Bible says that a liar will not see the Kingdom. It also says homosexuallity is an abomination. "Thou shall not kill." There are some things that the Bible condemns, with no doubt. These are a few. But you will not believe any of it until you are ready (really ready) to know the truth. I pray that God will draw you to Himself. I pray He will put a desire in your heart to know more about Him. He never promised the road to eternal life was easy. It is not. Some have to work harder than others. Smoking is an example. Some people smoke and never have any health problems. Some want to quit and have a real hard time. Some can lay them down and never want another one. I hope you don't make more out of this than what I mean. I am not condemning anyone. I am saying what the Bible says about this sin. It is an abomination to God. You have to make up your mind. Only you. You can justify all you want to. The Bible is plain. If you don't believe the Bible I'm sorry. I would venture to say you have never it (the Bible) a chance. People that are carnally minded cannot understand the things of the Spirit. No offence to you but I think you should try the Spirit and see what happens. God love you. We love you and want to help. P;lease don't take this as being hostile. It's not meant that way at all. Take it the way is is presented......in Love......

[Guest Timothy 316]

Hey everyone!

Once again, I am back with another treasure of the public school system of this corrupted world tehe This isn't meant for a debate is to whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong.. however, this post is based on the fact that homosexuality is a sin.. and in my opinion(no offense to anyone... ) is very disgusting...

However, here is the situation. There are two girls within the program at my school(IB.. or International Baccalaurette) where the whole idea of the program is tolerance. Hence, it seems as though I am fighting a losing battle. However, someone posted on one of the threads that tolerance isn't believing that everyone's belief is just as right as your own, but rather, accepting that everyone has a different belief and getting along with them... maybe this has nothing to do with the topic, and yet, it may have everything(the first idea of tolerance is constantly shoved down our throats.. actually, daily). Well.. there are two girls within this program, of whom will remian anonymous, who I recently saw today holding hands in the hallway. I thought nothign of it the first time, but at the end of the day when I saw it again, I asked one of them(the other girl had a different class). She asked me why, and I said I was just curious. Then she said that she was her girlfriend...

help??? These are girls that I have known for the past two years, one of which just had a boyfriend that previous week, and I dont' know what to think. It seems one thing to imagine a guy and a guy or a girl and a girl together.. it is another to see it.. and it is a whole nother story when these two are really close to your heart and you fully diagree with it. It turns my stomach upside down...

I don't know how to act around them anymore.. my initial reaction is disgust.. but what can i do? These are people that I have been and will be forced to work with in groups for the next two and half years. I don't know how to feel around them.. what to think.. or what they say.. they have heard the gospel and openly deny its truths.. actually.. one of them claimed salvation aroudn the beginnnign of last year.. and yet still asked me why I acted a certain way...

I am confused, stunned, and sickened all at the same time.. any ideas?

~Crystal

[Guest Timothy 316]

Just like Jesus with the woman caught in adultery, hate the sin and love the sinner! Don't be a pharisee, a self-righteous hater (though I am not accusing you that you are btw). IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEIR SIN IS AWFUL; ALL SIN IS AWFUL. PRAISE GOD YOUR SIN IS FORGIVEN. Love them as Jesus loved you while you were dead in sin. Go to the cross and live in ressurection life to them; this way you can love and tolerate them while not compromising your convictions. This is the radical Christianity that willchange lives forever!

[buckthesystem]

This is just my theory. So I hope that no one will take offence. I am most certainly not proffering that homosexuality is something that should be "accepted" and we just "have to get used to", but I'm thinking that this may not really have anything to do with homosexuality and just be a reaction to the saturation of ideas (people are different - just accept it and be tolerant) that is forced down our young peoples' throats today.

It is just possible that you are over-reacting to this and these girls are not lesbians at all, but just really good friends. Young girls, especially school girls, tend to "over-do" things with each other. Particularly if one of the girls has just broken up with a boyfriend she may have attached herself to another girl and thought "well at least she will be a loyal friend and will not hurt me". Watching my own daughter with her girlfriends (I mean "girlfriend" in a purely platonic sense - you know "she is a girl and she is my friend) when she was younger, she would go "all out" with another girl and "live in her pocket" for a while. I remember when my daughter was about 14 an old man whose housework I used to do said to me "I'd watch those girls if I were you, that seems like lesbian behaviour". I explained to him "but holding hands is just what girls do". It is a stage that they go through as part of growing up. My daughter would have a boyfriend and then break up with him and "swear off guys" (for about a whole week) and transfer her affections to another girl. Before she was old enough to be interested in boys she explained to me that she thought "boys were so disgusting that girls must be just the bees knees" (no offence to any bloke who might be reading this, I'm not being offensive - really).

I've heard some say things like "young people like to 'dabble' in same sex relationships", but I don't think that (90% of the time anyway) there is any sex involved, just a lot of confusion.

I always wondered why it is socially acceptable for girls and women to have friends (same sex one that is) stay at their house and share the same bed and yet if boys or men do that everybody is talking.

My daughter (who is 22 now) recently shared a motel room with two other women and two men. The room had two single beds and one "king sized" bed. The women stayed in the "king sized bed" and the men had a single bed each. Yet the other two women had husbands and children (as did one of the men, but a wife and children of course) and the other man has been my daughter's boyfriend for two years, and nobody raised an eyebrow. They said that they couldn't afford separate rooms for everybody.

Sure "tolerance" is forced down our throats daily - particularly in the "education system". So much so - I think anyway - that we begin to see things that just are not there.

I could be totally wrong in the case you mentioned though. It is just a thought.

[buckthesystem]

This is just my theory. So I hope that no one will take offence. I am most certainly not proffering that homosexuality is something that should be "accepted" and we just "have to get used to", but I'm thinking that this may not really have anything to do with homosexuality and just be a reaction to the saturation of ideas (people are different - just accept it and be tolerant) that is forced down our young peoples' throats today.

It is just possible that you are over-reacting to this and these girls are not lesbians at all, but just really good friends. Young girls, especially school girls, tend to "over-do" things with each other. Particularly if one of the girls has just broken up with a boyfriend she may have attached herself to another girl and thought "well at least she will be a loyal friend and will not hurt me". Watching my own daughter with her girlfriends (I mean "girlfriend" in a purely platonic sense - you know "she is a girl and she is my friend) when she was younger, she would go "all out" with another girl and "live in her pocket" for a while. I remember when my daughter was about 14 an old man whose housework I used to do said to me "I'd watch those girls if I were you, that seems like lesbian behaviour". I explained to him "but holding hands is just what girls do". It is a stage that they go through as part of growing up. My daughter would have a boyfriend and then break up with him and "swear off guys" (for about a whole week) and transfer her affections to another girl. Before she was old enough to be interested in boys she explained to me that she thought "boys were so disgusting that girls must be just the bees knees" (no offence to any bloke who might be reading this, I'm not being offensive - really).

I've heard some say things like "young people like to 'dabble' in same sex relationships", but I don't think that (90% of the time anyway) there is any sex involved, just a lot of confusion.

I always wondered why it is socially acceptable for girls and women to have friends (same sex one that is) stay at their house and share the same bed and yet if boys or men do that everybody is talking.

My daughter (who is 22 now) recently shared a motel room with two other women and two men. The room had two single beds and one "king sized" bed. The women stayed in the "king sized bed" and the men had a single bed each. Yet the other two women had husbands and children (as did one of the men, but a wife and children of course) and the other man has been my daughter's boyfriend for two years, and nobody raised an eyebrow. They said that they couldn't afford separate rooms for everybody.

Sure "tolerance" is forced down our throats daily - particularly in the "education system". So much so - I think anyway - that we begin to see things that just are not there.

I could be totally wrong in the case you mentioned though. It is just a thought.

PS to what I just said:

Nobody would suggest that David and Jonathan were "gay". They were just good mates. We all need a best friend (who fmay, or may not, be our husband/wife, bf, gf etc.) and so we should be able to display friendship for them in public without someone "reading something into it that is not there". Are we going to "frown on it" if two soldiers of the same sex share a "pup tent" together, or two women greet each other in the street and hug?

Perhaps the "inclusive indoctrination" that is forced on society is wrecking all this. There can be no such thing any more as simple "mateship" without people pointing to them and saying "this is an example of the tolerance we must have".

[sheya joie]

PS to what I just said:

Nobody would suggest that David and Jonathan were "gay". They were just good mates. We all need a best friend (who fmay, or may not, be our husband/wife, bf, gf etc.) and so we should be able to display friendship for them in public without someone "reading something into it that is not there". Are we going to "frown on it" if two soldiers of the same sex share a "pup tent" together, or two women greet each other in the street and hug?

Perhaps the "inclusive indoctrination" that is forced on society is wrecking all this. There can be no such thing any more as simple "mateship" without people pointing to them and saying "this is an example of the tolerance we must have".

Sadly, I have heard people suggest that David and Jonathan were gay. Such are the times. Have heard that put forth about many famous men who are no longer around to defne their reputations - such as Abraham Lincoln.

*sigh*

At any rate, here is one of my favorite passages on the subject:

1Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Both the terms 'effeminate' and 'abusers of themselves with mankind' refer to homosexual activity.

Two thing of note: first, 'such were some of you' 'but ye are washed' etc. This speaks of the LORD's ability to rescue those who are gay and make them clean from their sin. And the other thing of note: these are just two items in a looooooong list of sins that disqualify people from inheriting the kingdom.

Kitty, praying for your friends.

[David from New Bern]

First of all the content of Scripture shows God's disdain for the sin of homosexuality. Sexual sins seem to bring the ire of the Lord because of the scarring of the mind and memory of its participants and victims. We have no sexual experiences of no consequence. The Bible describes the two becoming as one in the sexual union. There is an emotional and spiritual bond legitimate or illegitimate that happens when we engage in sexual contact. Why is homosexuality pointed out as particularly displeasing, why would he destroy cultures that embrace it (Sodom & Gommorah)? Because there is only one sin that will send you to hell, the sin of unbelief. Homosexuality is one of the most deceptive of sins. Individuals who embrace this counterfeit urge see their sexual preference as their idenitity. They are "gay and proud. If the Bible calls it sin, it is outdated and wrong. People who don't see it as a legitimate alternative lifestyle are biggots. Science proves I was born this way. We are talking civil right here." I say all this before the non-believing audience and the philosophical. You can't argue or criticze the deceived until they have spiritual eyesight. They are spiritually handicapped...blind. The church needs to see the effective job Satan has done to sell our society this deception...even some denominations are buying the lie which calls the Genesis design of man and woman as the unit of reproduction spirtual and physical one option. I love homosexuals, I am not homophobic, but I will not condone their sin with my silence. However, I want the opportunity to show I am concerned about them and their spiritual, emotional, and physically self-destructive lifestyle. I have limited but real experience with seeing practicing homosexuals coming out of the lifestyle. It only happens when they begin to doubt their own choices. That doubt is the result of the Holy Spirit working with them. When we as believers begin to see those signs of inner struggle and minister with directness but genuine love miraculous things happen...deliverance! But we must argue that we have to earn the right to be a person that they seek out to work through these questions placed there by the Spirit.

Edited March 21, 2006 by David from New Bern