Is John still alive?

[Sterling]

John 21:21 Peter turned and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; he was the one who had reclined next to Jesus at the supper and had said,

[elkieDannsa' Air An Drochaid]

I'd say here that JEsus is really pointing them back to "what business is it of theirs"!

To keep their focus on what He has told them ,not on their own couriousness.

After all, don't we and can't we all get too courious about the things that are GOds alone to decide adn concern with, that are NOT our business?!

Elkie

[kal]

I have also wondered about this. Then in rev. 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophecy again before many peoples, and nations and tongues and kings.

Then in chapter 11 it goes into the two witnesses. Could John be one of the witnesses.

The scripture is not clear who theese guys are many people think they are Moses and Elijah

but we have no hint of that in the bible.

They may be two people who have not lived yet.

But if they are people from the bible would it not make sense to have one from the old covenant and one from the new. Kal

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

It is very Biblical to say that John still lives.

Joh

[Old Timer]

John, taken to heaven as described in Revelation, saw the events preceding and culminating in the second coming of Christ.

Christ said His return was immanent because, after death

[Guest RumblingSpirit]

I'd say here that JEsus is really pointing them back to "what business is it of theirs"!

To keep their focus on what He has told them ,not on their own couriousness.

After all, don't we and can't we all get too courious about the things that are GOds alone to decide adn concern with, that are NOT our business?!

Elkie

The two wittnesses are most likely living normal lives today, just as you and I. Their spirits are "Waiting in the Wings", for Gods' call or appointment. They are Jewish, carrying on their lifes and not knowing of their soon calling.

But the Lord has prepared them. As he is preparing the body today. (body of Christ) The calling is out, and the two wittnesses are ready. Praise our Lord Jesus Christ.

Rumbling

[sheya joie]

John, taken to heaven as described in Revelation, saw the events preceding and culminating in the second coming of Christ.

Christ said His return was immanent because, after death

[Sterling]

John didn't have the vision. John narrated the vision.

Revelation 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place; he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.

Angel means messenger. John the batist was called an angel as were his messengers. It likely that the angel was a heavenly angel but it's also a possibility that it was in fact Paul who had the vision. (I have reasons but time restricts me.)

Also, I am aware that Christ said "If". John himself emphasizes this point but the fact remains that they thought it a possibility so why didn't Christ correct them?

[Sterling]

Please you have to expound on what you are talking about here.

I apologize. I was in a bit of a rush before. Revelations starts off by saying that John (the apostle not the baptist) recieved this message from an angel. The word Angel literally translates to messenger. Most times in the bible the Angel is a messanger from heaven. Other times the messanger was a person. The bible refers to John the Baptist as an Angel delivering the message for Christ before his arrival. The difference is almost impossible to discern as to which is meant at which times as the same word "aggelos" is used for both. I believe that there is evidence that the Angel that gave John the message of Revelations was in fact Paul and not an Angel from Heaven.

The historical context under which the book was written has to be looked at. First off the book was written to the Hebrews in Jerusalem. Paul, being an ex-pharisee who persecuted the Christians, was not overly liked by anyone in Jerusalem. Christians hated him for the persecution and the Pharisee's hated him for his converion and new found preach to the Gentiles kick. So a book warning them of the things to come probably wouldn't have been too popular coming from him.

The second reason I think Paul was the one with the vision is the way the books of the New Testament close off.

1 Corinthians 16:24 My love be with all of you in Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 13:13 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

Galatians 6:18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers and sisters. Amen.

Ephesians 6:24 Grace be with all of those who love our Lord Jesus Christ with an undying love.

Philippians 4:23 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.

1 Thessalonians 5:28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

...and so forth. You can look them up on your own if you like.

And finally Revelation 22:21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all.

No other books of the Bible finish off like this except for almost every one that Paul wrote.

Thirdly Paul wrote of a Revelation he received;

Ephesians 3:3-5 That is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God

Edited April 5, 2006 by Sterling

[Sterling]

Also, if Christ knew that he wasn't coming back for 2000 or so years, what did he mean by this?

Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Who standing there didn't taste death untill he came? Was Jesus wrong? It is written that the day and the hour no one knows except the Father but Jesus must of had a rough timetable to be able to speak at all about when it would be without lying.