Revelations 8: 13- angel or eagle???

[MK202002]

hi. I wasn't sure if the computer put this through the last time, so please forgive me if this is a repeat. repeat. repeat. ha ha, just joking!

First let me say that I am not trying to undermine the accuracy or different translations of the bible, but I'm trying to get at a deeper question- why?

In the NIV, Revelation 8:13 reads:

As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: "Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!"

KJV reads:

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Now, the amplified, new living, messege, and Wyclffe all say eagle. That is the first question- which is correct?

In the rest of revelation, God has almost all of the announcing, judgement executing, and warning done by angels of one form or another. For example, all the trumpets, all the bowls, the angel showing John all these things, and angels that do othere things (7:1-3, 10:1-7, 14:6-12, 17, 18:1-8) Ok, pretty much the whole book, angels are God chosen messanger.

But to use an eagle, just an animal, why? that is more important than the first part of the question.

[Christian]

If apothanein kerdos does not respond to your thread you should try to PM him. He is fluent in Greek and very knowledgable. I'm sure he can be helpful to you.

Ironically, this morning I came across this very thing (I kid you not!), and wondered myself. As I cross referenced I saw "eagle" and "angel" stated.

Peace to you

CC

[nanasimmons]

In the Strongs Exhaustive Concordance-Greek Dictionary of the new testament,#32

The same word angel is used from Matt 1:20 all the way thru to Rev. 22:16.

Messenger,Angel

[nanasimmons]

In the Strongs Exhaustive Concordance-Greek Dictionary of the new testament,#32

The same word angel is used from Matt 1:20 all the way thru to Rev. 22:16.

Messenger,Angel

oops--Including in Rev. 8:13

The sinular word "eagle" is only used twice in the New Testament, Rev. 4:7 and 12:14; Strongs #105 an eagle

[Old Timer]

It has to do with which text the translators used.

For example the NASB says

[abbershay]

Revelation This could very well be a trranformed saint one of the redeemed. I call them eagle saints for they are eagles and they are also angels.

It has long been an idea that they will be doing things doing the tribulation period to me this is a big clue.

Mat 24:28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered.

We also know that John kept bowing down to this angel , and he says dont do it i am just like you heres what the angel actually says

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said to me, See, do not do it! I am your fellow servant, and of your brothers who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

In this case the Angel is one of the redeemed just like John.

[SwordFish]

An angel is not an eagle there is a difference between the two. the angel is proper within text which means messenger. In the text an angel literally flies through the air pronouncing God's judgment on the world this will be so done throughout that terrible time on this earth in which to come up ahead. The angels of God will be used to administer the judgments of God out to this world. Like in the 7 trumpet judgments and the 7 bowls of God's wrath as you can see when you read throughout the of Revelation.

But the two words are totally different in meaning. The only correlation the two words could ever have in common is only the fact that eagles fly through the air but that doesn't make it an angel because it can fly through the air. Nor does an angel that can fly through the air as an eagle make the angel an eagle they are different creations. The text I would trust in this one in defiantly the KJV as you have found a big error in that version for sure.

Swordfish

[abbershay]

They can be both just as i have shown just as the angel in relvelation is both a saint Prophet and an angel.

[SwordFish]

They can be both just as i have shown just as the angel in relvelation is both a saint Prophet and an angel.

Hello abbershay

the word angel in all of the entire book of revelations means "messenger" now God has many messengers of his that minister on his behalf.

But a messenger is not an eagle in any of those cases. You and I are God's ministers or messenger when we share God with the world around us. The prophets and so on are God's messengers that are sent and so on I think you get the point.

But the angels of God are also ministering spirits who minister on God's behalf they too are God's messengers. So I have no disagreement with you on that.

But the messengers that God sends whether it be man or angels is no way shape or form an eagle messenger or an eagle saint for that is unbiblical.

blessings

swordfish

[abbershay]

well i disagree with you , but you could be right I dought it though. One thing you are difinately wrong about is the book Revelation Its not plural. It is the Revelation of Yeshua the Messiah , NOT REVELATIONS ..........