GOD knows everything..????

[Guest misterD]

GOD knows EVERYTHING... my question? If GOD knows everything..(AND HE DOES)...how can you get up in the morning and decide your course of the day? HE knows the outcome. HE knows all that is going to happen..therefore you have no input...what happened to your personal free will on your life?? Every decision you make is already known by GOD...is your life pre-destined? I believe so. There is NO free will..therefore pre-destination...he knew you in the womb ..every hair on your head...your destiny...how does prayer enter this equation.....? GOD created all and KNOWS all..HE knows everything you have done and will do...you are no stranger to HIM...how can you even begin to WONDER what your next step in this life will be? Ponder my contribution...and reply. misterD.

[Gerioke]

GOD knows EVERYTHING... my question? If GOD knows everything..(AND HE DOES)...how can you get up in the morning and decide your course of the day? HE knows the outcome. HE knows all that is going to happen..therefore you have no input...what happened to your personal free will on your life?? Every decision you make is already known by GOD...is your life pre-destined? I believe so. There is NO free will..therefore pre-destination...he knew you in the womb ..every hair on your head...your destiny...how does prayer enter this equation.....? GOD created all and KNOWS all..HE knows everything you have done and will do...you are no stranger to HIM...how can you even begin to WONDER what your next step in this life will be? Ponder my contribution...and reply. misterD.

God knows everything you will do because He's the beginning and the end. He sees everything you are going to do before you do it. He doesn't make you do it. He allows you to do it.. Of course this is only my opinion.

[Guest misterD]

GOD knows EVERYTHING... my question? If GOD knows everything..(AND HE DOES)...how can you get up in the morning and decide your course of the day? HE knows the outcome. HE knows all that is going to happen..therefore you have no input...what happened to your personal free will on your life?? Every decision you make is already known by GOD...is your life pre-destined? I believe so. There is NO free will..therefore pre-destination...he knew you in the womb ..every hair on your head...your destiny...how does prayer enter this equation.....? GOD created all and KNOWS all..HE knows everything you have done and will do...you are no stranger to HIM...how can you even begin to WONDER what your next step in this life will be? Ponder my contribution...and reply. misterD.

God knows everything you will do because He's the beginning and the end. He sees everything you are going to do before you do it. He doesn't make you do it. He allows you to do it.. Of course this is only my opinion.

I am NOT allowed to do it ...GOD KNOWS I'm going to do it...he KNOWS all...

[Gerioke]

GOD knows EVERYTHING... my question? If GOD knows everything..(AND HE DOES)...how can you get up in the morning and decide your course of the day? HE knows the outcome. HE knows all that is going to happen..therefore you have no input...what happened to your personal free will on your life?? Every decision you make is already known by GOD...is your life pre-destined? I believe so. There is NO free will..therefore pre-destination...he knew you in the womb ..every hair on your head...your destiny...how does prayer enter this equation.....? GOD created all and KNOWS all..HE knows everything you have done and will do...you are no stranger to HIM...how can you even begin to WONDER what your next step in this life will be? Ponder my contribution...and reply. misterD.

God knows everything you will do because He's the beginning and the end. He sees everything you are going to do before you do it. He doesn't make you do it. He allows you to do it.. Of course this is only my opinion.

I am NOT allowed to do it ...GOD KNOWS I'm going to do it...he KNOWS all...

But if you do it, God has allowed it.

[mike2]

GOD knows EVERYTHING... my question? If GOD knows everything..(AND HE DOES)...how can you get up in the morning and decide your course of the day? HE knows the outcome. HE knows all that is going to happen..therefore you have no input...what happened to your personal free will on your life?? Every decision you make is already known by GOD...is your life pre-destined? I believe so. There is NO free will..therefore pre-destination...he knew you in the womb ..every hair on your head...your destiny...how does prayer enter this equation.....? GOD created all and KNOWS all..HE knows everything you have done and will do...you are no stranger to HIM...how can you even begin to WONDER what your next step in this life will be? Ponder my contribution...and reply. misterD.

The author of a book knows the whole book.

Why do you still read it?

mike2

P.S.

Ever put a bucket of ice cream amongst a bunch of 10 year olds.

I KNOW what those 10 year olds are going to do.

I dont have to make them do anything.

God knows each of us

[NotJohn]

Knowing something and controlling something are very different things. I know the sun will rise tomorrow, but I'm not the on that will make it rise. As far as predistination...I am certainly no Bible scholar or theologian, and I suppose I will get some nasty replies from offended people, but it is my opinion that although we are predestinated, we can choose to throw it away. I think the predestination is conditional on submitting to God's will. For example, God took away the destiny that He had offered to King Saul after he consulted a psychic. God said he would have made Saul's descendants the rulers of Israel forever, but Saul forfeitted that destiny when he chose to remove himself from God's plan.

[deadman1204]

Part of life is about the experiance. God may know about our whole life - but we certainly don't. He allows us to experiance his love. To know life with him, and see life without him.

Also, the bible doesnt say where the line between our free will and God's will lies. No one has that answer. God holds us accountable for our actions (given Jesus earned christians forgiveness.) It is better to err on the side of God's omnipotence, but don't let this worry you. If God wanted us to know the answer to this, the bible would have been clear on it.

Live your life to love and glorify God, and let what is, be.

[godrulz]

God does know everything knowable. The problem is that the future is not there yet, so it is only known as possible, not certain/actual. If determinism is true, then God would know all of the future. However, it is self-evident that we have free will (we can chose between chocolate and vanilla, between sexual purity or sexual immorality, between driving or walking, etc.). This is part of being in the image of God (spirit, will, intellect, emotions, etc.).

There are two motifs in Scripture: God predestines and knows some things, but not all things. He is omnicompetent, not omnicausal (Is. 46; 48 ability, not foreknowledge). Some of the future is settled/knowable (e.g. first and second coming of Christ because God will bring it to pass regardless of free will). Other aspects of the future are not settled, but are open. This is the type of creation God sovereignly chose in order to have reciprocal love relationships (freedom necessary). The determinists must take this motif figuratively (God changes His mind, adds 15 years to Hezekiah's life, changes in response to believing prayer, etc.).

Other related issues include the nature of God's sovereignty: Is is meticulous control or providential, responsive, creative, control (micro vs macromanages)?

Is eternity timelessness (Platonic, incoherent) or an endless duration of time (sequence, succession)?

What is the nature of God's immutability (strong vs weak). God changes in some ways (experiences, relations, knowledge, etc.), but not in other ways (essential nature, character, etc.).

Exhaustive foreknowledge of future free will contingencies is a logical absurdity/contradiction (modal logic; chaos theory supports this). This is similar to omnipotence meaning doing all that is doable (God cannot create a rock too heavy to lift= illogical, not limitation on omnipotent God).

This is a quick summary of Open Theism (about the openness of God's creation, not of God, per se). God is personal and relational. Dr. Gregory Boyd, Pinnock, Sanders, Basinger, Hasker, McCabe, Pratney, Olson, Rice, etc. are popularizing this attempt to return to biblical principles rather than a Greek or Augustinian influenced theology that impersonalizes God.

Mister D is asking good questions that expose the problematic nature of his assumptions that we uncritically accept. Calvinism/determinism is problematic in that it negates self-evident freedom and makes God responsible for heinous evil. Open Theism shows that God is relational, not a cosmic control-freak. He has created significant others with a say-so. This is not a risk free model nor a blueprint model. It resonates with the warfare model we see in the ministry of Jesus (God with a face).

God voluntarily chose to limit His knowledge of the future by the type of creation He chose. These principles are practical in that they make issues of prayer, evangelism, responsibility, theodicy (problem of evil), etc. more coherent and biblical.

A deterministic view is not a biblical view. It is fatalistic like Islam.

[gypc]

God does know everything knowable. The problem is that the future is not there yet, so it is only known as possible, not certain/actual. If determinism is true, then God would know all of the future. However, it is self-evident that we have free will (we can chose between chocolate and vanilla, between sexual purity or sexual immorality, between driving or walking, etc.). This is part of being in the image of God (spirit, will, intellect, emotions, etc.).

There are two motifs in Scripture: God predestines and knows some things, but not all things. He is omnicompetent, not omnicausal (Is. 46; 48 ability, not foreknowledge). Some of the future is settled/knowable (e.g. first and second coming of Christ because God will bring it to pass regardless of free will). Other aspects of the future are not settled, but are open. This is the type of creation God sovereignly chose in order to have reciprocal love relationships (freedom necessary). The determinists must take this motif figuratively (God changes His mind, adds 15 years to Hezekiah's life, changes in response to believing prayer, etc.).

Other related issues include the nature of God's sovereignty: Is is meticulous control or providential, responsive, creative, control (micro vs macromanages)?

Is eternity timelessness (Platonic, incoherent) or an endless duration of time (sequence, succession)?

What is the nature of God's immutability (strong vs weak). God changes in some ways (experiences, relations, knowledge, etc.), but not in other ways (essential nature, character, etc.).

Exhaustive foreknowledge of future free will contingencies is a logical absurdity/contradiction (modal logic; chaos theory supports this). This is similar to omnipotence meaning doing all that is doable (God cannot create a rock too heavy to lift= illogical, not limitation on omnipotent God).

This is a quick summary of Open Theism (about the openness of God's creation, not of God, per se). God is personal and relational. Dr. Gregory Boyd, Pinnock, Sanders, Basinger, Hasker, McCabe, Pratney, Olson, Rice, etc. are popularizing this attempt to return to biblical principles rather than a Greek or Augustinian influenced theology that impersonalizes God.

Mister D is asking good questions that expose the problematic nature of his assumptions that we uncritically accept. Calvinism/determinism is problematic in that it negates self-evident freedom and makes God responsible for heinous evil. Open Theism shows that God is relational, not a cosmic control-freak. He has created significant others with a say-so. This is not a risk free model nor a blueprint model. It resonates with the warfare model we see in the ministry of Jesus (God with a face).

God voluntarily chose to limit His knowledge of the future by the type of creation He chose. These principles are practical in that they make issues of prayer, evangelism, responsibility, theodicy (problem of evil), etc. more coherent and biblical.

A deterministic view is not a biblical view. It is fatalistic like Islam.

This veiw is not bibical.........God is all knowing.........Is 46:9Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

The Bible says no where that God limits his knowledge........so to say it, it has to be based on human understanding.

Also God never changes........Mal 3:6For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

In his love,

Brian

[gypc]

God changes his mind? Understand the book of Jonah. In the 3rd chapter God declares judgement then has compassion. It is not that God didn't know what they would do, Jonah did.....that's why he ran away .....because he knew God would have compassion.

Jonah 3:Jonah 3

1And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

2Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

3So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.

4And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

5So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

6For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.

7And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:

8But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.

9Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

10And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Jonah 4

1But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.

2And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.