Tongues what do you think? (MERGED TOPIC)

[Mark777]

Tah,

Good! I didn't want to offend. I believe what I do and I go from there. What else can I do. I hope every thing is ok with you. You never have to worry if you are coming across to me - I'm just slow and meticulous. I don't like 'debating" either. I don't look at what I do as debating. Either I am presenting what I see or I am investigating what others are presenting. I hope I was not rude.

Mark

[Mark777]

hr.jr,

Good verse, I am thinkingabout it. Thanks for the input.

Mark

[Mark777]

Lets see what you people think.

According to all the Scriptures presented to me - especially 1 Corinthians 14 this is what I think tongues are.

1. A gift where one speaks an unknown language that is not understandable to the speaker.

2. If interpreted, it speaks about the mysteries of God.

3. It can either be interpreted by a further gift of the speaker or by someone else who was meant to understand it - such as the people at Pentecost.

4. The person who has the gift of tongues can speak it when the spirit gives utterance but does not understand what it is that he/she is saying. But is told to control any out burst until the appropriate time. This is why Paul was telling them to exercise constraint in the church.

5. A tongue is spiritually edifying to the person speaking but not in a rational sense. Unless it is interpreted.

6. The spiritual tongue has the attribute of allowing multiple people of different languages to understand the message at the same time.

7. It is a lesser gift.

8. It is a sign for unbelievers - and should not be exercised unless it can be interpreted. (?)

Any correction?

Edited May 23, 2006 by Mark777

[Mark777]

So, what passages do you see as specifically dealing with the prayer language version?

[Mark777]

So, it is a gift with different functions? Broken up like that I can see it. I will have to think about it some more.

Mark

[Ryan Dillard]

Yes I do, I had prayed to receive this and one night in church I heard two men worshiping the Lord in song-praying in their unknown tongue. I had not doubted that the Lord filled me and in the night service as I was worshiping the Lord I could hear my spirit woman speaking 100 miles per hour in a tongue I didn't recognize. I responded like a baby= I copied the word I heard-then like a river it began to flow.

Now in my time with the Lord, I pray often in the spirit and I also pray in the natural. I remember when it first began -that I had answers to prayers i prayed for more than a year.

The devil had prior harassed me and afterward-he had no idea what I was praying. I dreamed one night that two demons were walking up to my mothers home and I boldly confronted them and not knowing what they were comeing for I prayed loudly in my prayer language- they went off screaming-what is she saying-this is hurting too bad. My mom a few days later had a minor health issue that could have been a much worse situation had it not been for prayer. I now know that you have to continue in prayer till you get your break through. The Lord warns me in dreams and I intercede on the behalf of those who I dream about. I haven't had the gift of prophecy as far as giving a interpretation or a word-but as he leads me I am willing. God is soo Good.

Blessings

Candi

That is amazing Candi

I have yet to whitness someone speaking in tounges. My church does not allow it is against it as is our pastor. I don't know what to think I know it exists though becaue it is one of the 4 gifts mentioned in the bible, but many people say speaking tounges only brings glory to themselves so...

[crab3]

1 Corinthians 13:8-13 (New International Version)

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

9For we know in part and we prophesy in part,

10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.

The Word, the Bible is that which is perfect, once it was completed in 90 AD with the writing of Revelation by John, there would be no more need of further prophecy, etc...because we have all the prophecy that God wants us to have.

[tah]

crab, a little thought here..the Bible all 66 Books of it had not been written yet...

All they had at that time was the Old Testament Books...

[crab3]

"Tah"

you are right, but again,

The Word, the Bible is that which is perfect, once it was completed in 90 AD with the writing of Revelation by John, there would be no more need of further prophecy, etc...because we have all the prophecy that God wants us to have.

[germanJoy]

"...if a person discounts one of the Gifts of the Spirit, they might as well discount all of them and forget about asking..."says Mr and Mrs Mike Irish.

This is the kind of additude that is so very prevalent among the elite. The elite that I was associated with for so many years and am proud now, not to be a part of.

O.K. let's say that tongues are for today because Paul speaks of tongues and gives outlines for their use. And that it is directed to the church at large, or the Body of Christ as a whole for all time.

Alright?

So...let's also keep this statment as is also; same letter, same audiance, same chapter, same apostle:

34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Remember, God is the same, yesterday, today and forever.............If we are going to say that what is explained in chapter 14 is not for the benifit of a church with a blend of those who spoke in tongues and those who did not; and hold the hard line that there is no room for any other position. Then verses 34 and 35 had better get just as staunch of a position, and be held fast in the same manner.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

This verse has been quoted to support tongues, it is totally taken out of context. Read for yourself:

7. Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

8. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 9. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

10. We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

11. For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

12. Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

13. Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

14. For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

15. By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

16. But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

The context is to be sure an maintain the truth of the grace of God which has never changed, and that we, like Jesus are to bear his reproach.

We want to know what God has to say don't we?

Following Jesus,

Daave

Hi, Daave. I am seeing one problem on your presented analogy. The instructions on women being silent in the church was clearly situational since there was a woman, Anna the prophetess, SPEAKING in the temple of God. Considering the contrast between Luke 2:36-38 and 1 Cor. 14:34, we can conclude that one of the two is an exception being situational.

And there was a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived with a husband seven years after her marriage, and then as a widow to the age of 84. And she never left the temple, serving night and day with fasting and prayers. And at that very moment she came up and began giving thans to God, and continued to speak of Him to all those who were loking for the redemption of Jerusalem. Luke 2:36-38

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1 Cor. 14:34

If women were to be silent in the church, how could Anna speak in the temple of God if she was violating the law? Obviously, women speaking in the temple or church of God was not against the law. Thus, we can conclude that Paul was instructing the particular women at a particular church in Corinth who had to be instructed differently than the women in Jerusalem.

In this respect, the instruction of "speaking in tonques" cannot be held in the same position with that of "women being silent in the church" (as contrasted by Luke 2) since there are no contrasting instruction by any of the Apostles that tonques have ceased or will cease today.

Edited May 24, 2006 by germanJoy