SIN

[IslandRose]

I believe that there can be no salvation or sanctification without true repentance.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent , ye shall all likewise perish.

And after we are saved we are to do what is right and good in the sight of God.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works , lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works , which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Acts 26

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. (KJS)

20 but [kept] declaring both to those of Damascus first, and [also] at Jerusalem and [then] throughout all the region of Judea, and [even] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance. (NASB)

20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds. (NIV)

20 I preached first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and through Judea, and also to the Gentiles that all must forsake their sins and turn to God--and prove their repentance by doing good deeds. (TLB)

20 First in Damascus and in Jerusalem and then in the whole country of Israel and among the Gentiles, I preached that they must repent of their sins and turn to God and do the things that would show they had repented. (TEV)

But when we mess up, and being human we will, He has promised we can be cleansed if we just confess our sins.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[tsth]

Yes maam! We most assuredly are on the same page/united in Christ!

But when we mess up, and being human we will, He has promised we can be cleansed if we just confess our sins.

And stop what we're doing in that sin.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[IslandRose]

Yes maam!  We most assuredly are on the same page/united in Christ!

But when we mess up, and being human we will, He has promised we can be cleansed if we just confess our sins.

And stop what we're doing in that sin.

In His Love,

Suzanne

Right, because if we "confess" with an eye toward repeating that behavior, it is not true repentance.

I like the definition of repentance that says "a change of mind and heart which results in a change of behavior."

IR :il:

[tsth]

I like the definition of repentance that says "a change of mind and heart which results in a change of behavior."

That one deserves a 2nd posting!

In His Love,

Suzanne

[sagz4Christ]

We run the race until the end. That means we will be constantly challenged. That's why we have a suit of armour. That's why we have Christ in us.

However, I do not think that we earn anything. I do believe that our actions are by-products of our faith.

AMEN!!!!!

Yes IR, I agree! And the question was.........to put it in your terms......Is a person truly saved, if he is not/has not/ undergone any sort of sanctifying through repentance of a "lifestyle" of sin.

I believe that to be truly saved there IS evidence of that salvation, and it is not called works, it IS sanctification, and to mislead people into thinking anything other, is unloving and not speaking in Truth.

AMEN!!!!

Yes maam!  We most assuredly are on the same page/united in Christ!

 

But when we mess up, and being human we will, He has promised we can be cleansed if we just confess our sins.

And stop what we're doing in that sin. 

In His Love,

Suzanne

Right, because if we "confess" with an eye toward repeating that behavior, it is not true repentance.

I like the definition of repentance that says "a change of mind and heart which results in a change of behavior."

IR

AAAAMMMEEENNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!

I believe that there can be no salvation or sanctification without true repentance.

*faints due to the joy of the truth!*

I believe we have been trying to say the same things, just that I am not that well versed in this thing called the English Language!

TRUE faith means TRUE repentance...and TRUE repentance means securing a place in glory with our Lord forever and ever, AMEN!

We are secure and need only to realize the power of Christ in us to oversome. As Paul said in Romans Chapter 5;

1. Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

2. through whom also we have obtained our introductioin by faith into this grace in which we STAND; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

3. And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverence(we don't bring it, tribulation does),

4. and perseverence, proven character, and proven character, hope;

5. and hope does not dissappoint, because the love of God has been poured out WITHIN our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

I would just like to repeat what everyone here has said....

I believe that to be truly saved there IS evidence of that salvation, and it is not called works, it IS sanctification, and to mislead people into thinking anything other, is unloving and not speaking in Truth.

Yes!!!! Though the bible calls it works (I think for the purpose of speaking in human terms), it is known also as sanctification, and I like to think of it as acting our of love for the One who loved an unlovable me! Either way you want to think about it, as long as it remains a physical, visible act of faith and not works, lest anyone should boast, then it is coolio.

Peace in Christ!

~Sagz

[tsth]

YIPPPPEEE!!!! Now we are all being on the same page!

How wonderful in the Lord is that?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[traveller]

*faints due to the joy of the truth!*

You okay sagz? (where's the smellin salts when I need 'em?)

[IslandRose]

<--------Happy dance!

YIPPPPEEE!!!!

[Guest Goldman01]

Dear Goldman,

That post pretty much summed it up. It is about whether or not we are abiding in Christ/The Word.

I wasn't real clear on this particular phrase you wrote.

So, with this all in mind, a professed Christian, in my opinion isn't saved whether or not they're practicing sin. And a true Christian who practices sin has deviated from God's own design for salvation. You can't be a Christian and of the world.

Is that how you meant to say it? I really like what you wrote, but ask that you would edit that part? I'm asking that you edit it, because the rest of the post was so clear, I'd like to read it all again with that part in it. I do believe that the word professed is the correct term to use, as there are many who "claim" to be Christians. That is why I believe the question you went back to, is so necessary in this day and time, because I too believe that not all who profess to be Christians, really ARE. But still there are those who are truly Christians, as they claim to be, because they do follow the Lord and adhere to His Word.

Thanks. If that's what you meant to say, that's fine, it just wasn't making sense to me.

In His Love,

Suzanne

Hi Suzanne-

The point I was trying to get across is that there are people out there who claim to be Christians who really aren't. They are lost whether they are involved in ongoing sin or not. Then there are people who have become Christians, but have deviated from Christianity and salvation by practicing sin.

I guess I didn't make myself very clear. After re-reading my post, I could see where the confusion set in. Thankyou for asking for clarification. I hope this helps! If this is more clarifying, I'll edit my post with the above phrase to make it more understandable!

God Bless!

[tsth]

The point I was trying to get across is that there are people out there who claim to be Christians who really aren't. They are lost whether they are involved in ongoing sin or not. Then there are people who have become Christians, but have deviated from Christianity and salvation by practicing sin.

Yes, that's clearer, although I'm very undecided on whether or not you can deviate from salvation? Again it goes back to whether or not you were saved to begin with........I think ...........and again I go back to the point of this thread.........it's not whether or not you believe OSAS, or not, it's about how you are living now?

I remember hearing a preacher say, it's not about something you prayed 10 years ago, it's about your relationship with the Lord, and your life NOW! How now do we live? Are we living in faith, in grace, in His Power, if so, then there is ample evidence of salvation NOW, by believing NOW. That is what the church NEEDS to KNOW. How are you in Christ NOW? If you are in doubt, there may be a reason? Let's get real in Christ Jesus!

In His Love,

Suzanne