Intercession of Christ

[Openly Curious]

Hello everyone

Hebrews 7:22-25

By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangable priesthood Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them

Romans 8: 24-27

For we are saved by hope but hope that is seen is not hope for what a man seeth Why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not. Then do we with patience wait for it. Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities for we know not what we should pray for as we ought but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Hebrews 11:1

Now FAITH is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen

Okay now I have been studying in Hebrews of late and the passage of scripture found in Hebrew 7:22-25 above has halted me and gotten my attention as I was pondering on the fact of Jesus who is interceeding on our behalf right now.

Then I got to thinking back through all the gospel accounts tracing over the footsteps of Jesus in my mind thinking about His prayer life while He walked this earth down here. And I was really amazed when I realized that not one of His prayers went unanswered everything He prayed and asked happened without fail.

Then I thought on His role right now since He has arisen and ever liveth to make intercession for the saints. As I look and meditate on the intercessory prayer life of Christ right now in Heaven I can't help but think the same thing That Jesus never prayed a prayer that didn't get answered

Scripture say He is able to save them to the Uttermost that come unto Him. I believe this to be the saints whom Jesus is praying and interceding for right now in heaven. But also it is those whom He prayed for while here on this earth when He came to seek and save the lost that He is able to save to the uttermost.

Alot of Jesus's teaching in the gospel of John come to mind like chp 14 & 15 but Jesus had prayed the Father would keep them that come Unto Him and said that all that the Father gave Him was His.

But I just wanted others thoughts and opinions in this doctrine that I have thus found for myself while meditating on God's word. So I be biblical sound in my thoughts.

Which are if we come to Him sinner or saint alike He is able to save us to the Uttermost

If we hope in Christ we are saved

Coming to Christ in faith laying our needs at His feet so the things we do not precently have He may freely give unto us. And therefore we will have the evidence of those things we hoped and prayed for as Christ will meet our needs whether it be a sinner in need of salvation or a saint who is in need of divine help

For Jesus is able to save each of us to the Uttermost as He never prayed a prayer that did not get answered.

Openly Curious

[tah]

I certainly believe it...

2Ti 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

[Openly Curious]

Here is one prayer for your consideration that may not have been answered. Jesus prayed, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do," in reference to those responsible for his crucifiction. Yes, there are many that received forgiveness who came to believe in Jesus after the crucifiction, but many did not. Judas had a big part in the crucifiction, and we know he wasn't forgiven. When it comes to prayers involving our free will, that is differen't from prayers dealing with things like healing the sick, for instance.

Let me give you another example. Jesus prayed for Peter that his faith wouldn't fail him yet Peter denied the Lord. Jesus didn't want him to deny him, yet even while praying for him knew that he would. He told him so to his face, that before the cock crows twice, you Peter will deny me thrice.

Jesus is a faithful high priest who I believe intercedes for us every day. I believe he prays that we will overcome each time we are faced with a temptation, yet you know as well as I do we sometimes fail.

So the conclusion of the matter to me is, every prayer Jesus prayed that didn't involve the free will of an individual came to pass, but those involving free will of the individual did not. He is God so he is capable of taking our free will from us, yet he chooses not to. He wants us to love and obey him of our own free will, not by compulsion.

Hello Butero

In the prayer Father forgive them for they know not what they do, I think was answered for it was the Father's will that his only begotten Son should die on the cross. That being said if Jesus himself that day would not have prayed those words Father forgive them they know not what they do a charge would be held to their account. But Jesus's prayer opened up and avenue of forgiveness granted to them through the cross they nailed him too. So I think in this regards it was answered as Jesus put His will aside and prayed for them. I just think you are missing the point in Jesus's prayer that day. And it really has nothing to do with freewill at all in my thoughts.

Jesus did pray that prayer for Peter but it was only a part of the whole of the prayer Jesus prayed for Jesus went on to say further that after Peter would deny him three times that after he was converted he was to go and strenghten the brethren. For Peter had to wait until Jesus died on the cross just like us all we have to be converted. Later on you see a different Peter in the book of Acts endewed with power from on high. I'd say His prayer was answered.

Yes we do sometimes fail that is "Why" we are saved by "hope" (Romans 8:24) Hope in the things we don't yet possess but we expect to recieve by faith and a trust that one day we shall recieve in this life or in the next the evidences of those things hope for. (Hebrews 11:1)

And it is Jesus who is pleading our case before the Father of lights that no temptation common to man will overtake us as He Himself paid the awful price on Calvary's tree to purchase this purchased vessel as He paid the ransom and bought us back for this has nothing to do with our freewills but it has to do with the will of the Father and the obedience of His Son and it is finished that all may but come and they shall be saved both sinners in need and saints in need shall be saved to the UTTERMOST. blessings to you

OC

[Openly Curious]

Here is one prayer for your consideration that may not have been answered. Jesus prayed, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do," in reference to those responsible for his crucifiction. Yes, there are many that received forgiveness who came to believe in Jesus after the crucifiction, but many did not. Judas had a big part in the crucifiction, and we know he wasn't forgiven. When it comes to prayers involving our free will, that is differen't from prayers dealing with things like healing the sick, for instance.

Let me give you another example. Jesus prayed for Peter that his faith wouldn't fail him yet Peter denied the Lord. Jesus didn't want him to deny him, yet even while praying for him knew that he would. He told him so to his face, that before the cock crows twice, you Peter will deny me thrice.

Jesus is a faithful high priest who I believe intercedes for us every day. I believe he prays that we will overcome each time we are faced with a temptation, yet you know as well as I do we sometimes fail.

So the conclusion of the matter to me is, every prayer Jesus prayed that didn't involve the free will of an individual came to pass, but those involving free will of the individual did not. He is God so he is capable of taking our free will from us, yet he chooses not to. He wants us to love and obey him of our own free will, not by compulsion.

Hello Butero

In the prayer Father forgive them for they know not what they do, I think was answered for it was the Father's will that his only begotten Son should die on the cross. That being said if Jesus himself that day would not have prayed those words Father forgive them they know not what they do a charge would be held to their account. But Jesus's prayer opened up and avenue of forgiveness granted to them through the cross they nailed him too. So I think in this regards it was answered as Jesus put His will aside and prayed for them. I just think you are missing the point in Jesus's prayer that day. And it really has nothing to do with freewill at all in my thoughts.

Jesus did pray that prayer for Peter but it was only a part of the whole of the prayer Jesus prayed for Jesus went on to say further that after Peter would deny him three times that after he was converted he was to go and strenghten the brethren. For Peter had to wait until Jesus died on the cross just like us all we have to be converted. Later on you see a different Peter in the book of Acts endewed with power from on high. I'd say His prayer was answered.

Yes we do sometimes fail that is "Why" we are saved by "hope" (Romans 8:24) Hope in the things we don't yet possess but we expect to recieve by faith and a trust that one day we shall recieve in this life or in the next the evidences of those things hope for. (Hebrews 11:1)

And it is Jesus who is pleading our case before the Father of lights that no temptation common to man will overtake us as He Himself paid the awful price on Calvary's tree to purchase this purchased vessel as He paid the ransom and bought us back for this has nothing to do with our freewills but it has to do with the will of the Father and the obedience of His Son and it is finished that all may but come and they shall be saved both sinners in need and saints in need shall be saved to the UTTERMOST. blessings to you

OC

OK O.C. , let me ask you this, are you saying that the prayer was answered in that God didn't charge the sin of crucifying Jesus to those responsible? I suppose in theory that is possible.

OC

yes that is what I am saying.

Butero

I also see your point with Peter, but couldn't it be argued that this prayer was only answered in part? Peter did fail, but he also came back. Or are you saying that when Jesus prayed that his faith fail not, it didn't mean in a temporal sense but in the long term?

OC

You could argue it but it wouldn't change my mind because Jesus foreknew this about Peter that Satan was going to come to him and sift him as wheat to try and destroy his faith and Jesus was foretelling this to Peter before it happened so when it did happen he could withstand the enemy so Jesus prophesied to him and also had prayed for him prior to this encounter so that his faith would fail not and afterwards when he denied Christ three times he would be converted and be able to strenghten the brethren. I hope I answered to your satisfaction.

Butero

I guess that makes sense, but still does not explain one thing. You said that you believe "Jesus is pleading our case before the Father of lights that no temptation common to man will overtake us." I basically said the same thing, but that we still fail at times and fall into those temptations. Wouldn't that mean that there are prayers he is praying that are not answered because of our free will? If not, please explain why?

OC

Jesus is making intercession for us to the Father reminding the Father of His own sacrifice He made for mankind to be set free whom the Son sets free is free indeed. Just because we fail at times doesn't mean we will not make it to glory even if we get overtaken in a fault. You see the beauty in which I see here is that in my fault which my freewill got me into has no hold on me if I come to Jesus with it. For He is able to save me according to the will of the Father to the UTTERMOST through what Christ did on the cross and if I will continue to practice and do this all the days of my life it is IN Christ I will be victorius alone. The prayer is for those who come to Him according to the will of God which Jesus is continually doing for us. Those that do this will in no wise be cast out but saved to the Uttermost. We have got to "Come" according to the Father's will so all those who exercise their freewills apart from His will and refuse to come saint and sinner alike it doesn't apply to those but the prayer is for those whom does come according to His will. so in this regards I still see the prayers of Jesus are without fail. blessings

OC

[Mark777]

Openly Curious,

I only had time to read your posts today. You have blessed me with them. I will participate maybe in a day or so.

Everyone have a good night.

Mark

[EricH]

Coming to Christ in faith laying our needs at His feet so the things we do not precently have He may freely give unto us. And therefore we will have the evidence of those things we hoped and prayed for as Christ will meet our needs whether it be a sinner in need of salvation or a saint who is in need of divine help

For Jesus is able to save each of us to the Uttermost as He never prayed a prayer that did not get answered.

Openly Curious

I think Jesus answered this in John :

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

John 10:27-30 NASB

[buckthesystem]

This is one thing that I have always wondered about. Butero said "Judas played a large part in the crucifiction yet we know he wasn't forgiven". Since the purpose that Jesus became "one of us" and walked this earth was to be crucified as a the final sacrifice for our sins and this would not have been possible without Judas betraying him (i.e. Judas was only "playing his part" in the "new covenant") then why was Judas not forgiven?

I am not being awkward, just want to see if there is something obvious that I just cannot see.

[Fiosh]

For Jesus is able to save each of us to the Uttermost as He never prayed a prayer that did not get answered.

Openly Curious

When I read this statement, 2 prayers immediately came to mind:

Luke 22: 41-42

After withdrawing about a stone's throw from them and kneeling, he prayed,

saying, "Father, if you are willing, take this cup away from me; still, not my will but yours be done."

and

John 17: 20-22

"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,

so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.

And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one..."

The second prayer has not been answered, though I have no doubt that one day it will be.

The first was not answered in totality. However, Jesus prayed for the Father's will to be done. I suppose that's the crux of all prayer---to pray in the Father's will. When Jesus intercedes for us, does He pray explicitly that we all be saved, or does he pray "Thy will be done"?

Just a thought.

Peace,

Fiosh

[Openly Curious]

For Jesus is able to save each of us to the Uttermost as He never prayed a prayer that did not get answered.

Openly Curious

When I read this statement, 2 prayers immediately came to mind:

Luke 22: 41-42

After withdrawing about a stone's throw from them and kneeling, he prayed,

saying, "Father, if you are willing, take this cup away from me; still, not my will but yours be done."

and

John 17: 20-22

"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,

so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.

And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one..."

The second prayer has not been answered, though I have no doubt that one day it will be.

The first was not answered in totality. However, Jesus prayed for the Father's will to be done. I suppose that's the crux of all prayer---to pray in the Father's will. When Jesus intercedes for us, does He pray explicitly that we all be saved, or does he pray "Thy will be done"?

Just a thought.

Peace,

Fiosh

Hello Fiosh,

You have a good observation. But the prayers of Jesus and the groanings of the Spirit which make intercession for us when we don't know what to pray is "Always" according to the will of God. And I know one day everything in God's word will come to pass not one jot or title will pass away until all be fullfilled. Thy kingdom come thy will be done is what Jesus prayed and taught us to pray that way. For it is the will or God's plans that will most defiantly come to pass without fail. Thanks for your thoughts. blessings

OC

[Openly Curious]

This is one thing that I have always wondered about. Butero said "Judas played a large part in the crucifiction yet we know he wasn't forgiven". Since the purpose that Jesus became "one of us" and walked this earth was to be crucified as a the final sacrifice for our sins and this would not have been possible without Judas betraying him (i.e. Judas was only "playing his part" in the "new covenant") then why was Judas not forgiven?

I am not being awkward, just want to see if there is something obvious that I just cannot see.

Hello buckthesystem,

I like your name by the way we ought to be able to think for ourselves and be who we are as individuals and buckthesystem reminds me of that for some reason now.

You ask a very good question as many people have also wondered these things. I am not thinking to clearly at the moment so I will try and do my best at giving you my opinion and will try to follow up on it in case I made no sense.

I think myself that Judas played a big part in the crucifixon I think in scriptures that is pretty plain for us to see as Judas betrayed him with a kiss and for thirty pieces of silver even. And as far as my opinion of it is that if anyone betrays the Son of Man not just Judas but anyone they to will loose out on being forgiven because they reject the Messiah it should be no different for Judas he turned his back on Jesus even with a kiss but how sad an awful thing that was I am glad cause it turned to the salvation to the whole world which extended to you and I.

Jesus purpose was to go to Golgatha's hill to be crucified for it was the will of the Father as you have stated and it would not have been possible without Judas.

Now my take is that in all the generations that have been born on this earth their have been many Judas's born and have betrayed the will of God their are many stories of stabbing in the backs in the old and new testament so let's not single out old Judas as being the only one whoever betrayed someone's trust here. For all the Judas's throughout history has met the same fate as Judas in the betrayal of the Messiah. And that fate will be no forgiveness granted and eternal punishment if they choose to play that part blessings to you.

OC