disjockey Posted June 22, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 13 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2006 have talked and interview many Catholics and other believers, and I am shocked to here tha they think Muslim have the same God as the Christians I have also talked with Muslim who think the same thing as Catholics. Can someone here explain how they taught to believe this?? Thank you Shalom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amor Posted June 22, 2006 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,194 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2006 have talked and interview many Catholics and other believers, and I am shocked to here tha they think Muslim have the same God as the Christians I have also talked with Muslim who think the same thing as Catholics. Can someone here explain how they taught to believe this?? Thank you Shalom Probably because they do. Islam is an off shoot of Christianity and Judaism much in the same way that Mormonism is. Both founded by a self-proclaimed reforming prophet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted June 22, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted June 22, 2006 If however you know your Bible, then read glorious Khoran, you will quickly see, that the 'god' of the Khoran, has the murderous and sexual character of the Bible's devil........ Most people believe it is the same god, for the same reason they believe there are no longer any cannibals in New Guinea: Because they have been told it repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted June 22, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2006 Some reasons why the allah of islam isnt the God of the bible. 1) Christians believe that God is spirit. John 4:24 God is a spirit, and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth. Islam says God isnt spirit. 2) Our Lord is transcendent and immanent. While both Christians and muslims believe in the transcendence of God, muslims believe He does not interact at all with mankind. We believe God is intimately involved in our lives (immanence). 3) We believe God reveals Himself, not just His law. Islam believes that allah's will is manifested, but not allah himself. Our Lord reveals Himself all throughout the bible. 4) The Trinity. God is God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Islam proclaims allah has no son. 5) Our Lord loves us while we sinners. For God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son. While we were yet sinners, He reached out to us in love. Yet for muslims, allah loves no sinner. 6) Our Lord does not want anyone to perish. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not purposing that any of us should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Islam says allah desires to punish people. 7) How God regards the Jews. The Jews are Gods people. The bible tells us this. Allah of islam hates the Jews. 8) Our Lord is unchanging. Islam believes in the doctrine of abrogation, where allah can change his mind at whim. Our Lord is unchanging. 9) Forgiveness. We are forgiven on the basis of the atoning work of Jesus. His sacrifice (and our acceptance of Jesus) means we are forgiven and reconciled with the Lord. In islam, forgiveness by allah is based on the whim of allah. You have no way of knowing if you are forgiven or not. The only reasonably sure thing is death by martyrdom. Allah of islam is NOT the God of Abraham, not the Lord we believe in. Islam is not an offshoot of Christianity. It is a perversion of worship of the true Lord. (Mormons do not worship the same Lord either. They have changed whom He is.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjockey Posted June 22, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 13 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 22, 2006 have talked and interview many Catholics and other believers, and I am shocked to here tha they think Muslim have the same God as the Christians I have also talked with Muslim who think the same thing as Catholics. Can someone here explain how they taught to believe this?? Thank you Shalom Probably because they do. Islam is an off shoot of Christianity and Judaism much in the same way that Mormonism is. Both founded by a self-proclaimed reforming prophet. But even the mormon have another Jesus who is satan brother. Alone muslims is a pagan religion with it own made up prophets, koran, and god. They are not mention no where in the bible pass present or future. So we christians need to see that the religion is formed and led by satan himself the anti Christ. Even as A Jew today who doesn't accept the death burial , and resurrection of Jesus is damned alreay. Mark 16:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjockey Posted June 22, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 13 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 22, 2006 If however you know your Bible, then read glorious Khoran, you will quickly see, that the 'god' of the Khoran, has the murderous and sexual character of the Bible's devil........ Most people believe it is the same god, for the same reason they believe there are no longer any cannibals in New Guinea: Because they have been told it repeatedly. That is like blind faith and blind teaching. Hear something and just believe it to be true, what a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjockey Posted June 22, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 13 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 22, 2006 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. I do not care what any muslim says, or any jew says, or any so called christian says... God says that any spirit that denies that Jesus Christ, the very Son of God, in whom dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, who was fully God and fully man....came in the flesh.... That means that anyone that denies that Jesus was anything less than Emanuel, which means, "God with us"... In the flesh, is of the spirit of antichrist... The muslims deny that Jesus is God in the flesh.... they are antichrist, and do not know God the Father... Any jew that denies that Jesus is God in the flesh.... is an antichrist and does not know God the Father.... this was true in Jesus day, and is true today... Either one accepts that Jesus is God in the flesh, or he is of the spirit of antichrist... If you do not know Christ you do not know God his Father.... the two cannot be separated... Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Joh 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Shalom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober H Posted June 22, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/02/1949 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Some reasons why the allah of islam isnt the God of the bible. 1) Christians believe that God is spirit. John 4:24 God is a spirit, and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth. Islam says God isnt spirit. 2) Our Lord is transcendent and immanent. While both Christians and muslims believe in the transcendence of God, muslims believe He does not interact at all with mankind. We believe God is intimately involved in our lives (immanence). 3) We believe God reveals Himself, not just His law. Islam believes that allah's will is manifested, but not allah himself. Our Lord reveals Himself all throughout the bible. 4) The Trinity. God is God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Islam proclaims allah has no son. 5) Our Lord loves us while we sinners. For God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son. While we were yet sinners, He reached out to us in love. Yet for muslims, allah loves no sinner. 6) Our Lord does not want anyone to perish. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not purposing that any of us should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Islam says allah desires to punish people. 7) How God regards the Jews. The Jews are Gods people. The bible tells us this. Allah of islam hates the Jews. 8) Our Lord is unchanging. Islam believes in the doctrine of abrogation, where allah can change his mind at whim. Our Lord is unchanging. 9) Forgiveness. We are forgiven on the basis of the atoning work of Jesus. His sacrifice (and our acceptance of Jesus) means we are forgiven and reconciled with the Lord. In islam, forgiveness by allah is based on the whim of allah. You have no way of knowing if you are forgiven or not. The only reasonably sure thing is death by martyrdom. Allah of islam is NOT the God of Abraham, not the Lord we believe in. Islam is not an offshoot of Christianity. It is a perversion of worship of the true Lord. (Mormons do not worship the same Lord either. They have changed whom He is.) Your post is very well done. That sums it up for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi770 Posted June 22, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 119 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,316 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/01/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/01/1970 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Because they do not Know (True) God. candi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober H Posted June 22, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/02/1949 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Because they do not Know (True) God. candi Do you think you could cut down the length of your posts? I don't have time to wade through all that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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