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[Guest shiloh357]

So all Palestinians held in Israeli prisoners are suicide bombers who failed to explode! I don't think that tallies with Israeli what the Israeli government believes. They accuse them of all sorts of others acts. Still they must be wrong and you right!

And you accuse me of lacking intellectual honesty, you might at least try and think about how silly some of the claims you make are.

The problem here is that you really don't have a grasp on just how many terrorist attakcs Israel has had to deal with. Just from 2000 to 2004 alone, there were 22,406 terrorist attacks upon Israelis and this is counting every attack on Jews in Gaza, the West Bank and Israel proper. In 2005, there 2,990 terrorist attacks. So, at this rate, it is easy to see why the majority of Paletinians are terrorists.

The majority of all the several millionPalestinians terrorists eh! You do talk unsubstantiated nonsense. And you have the gall to accuse others of racism! So lets make this clear any attack on an Israeli be they military or civillian is terrorism be it throwing a stone at a tank or blowing yourself up in a market. But all those thousands being heldheld as you stated in an earlier post are only the wannabe suicide bombers. As usual little makes sense in your assertions.

I was talking about the majority of Palestinians held in the prisons, amor. Perhaps you need a course is reading comprehension. But now that you bring it up... yes, if you offer aid, intelligence, encouragement, funding, and inspiration to a terrorist, you are also a terrorist. Even in America, we arrest and prosecute not only criminals but ANYONE who gave them aid, comfort, and motivation. If you helped a murderer then you suffer the same fate as the murderer.

My information was taken from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and from the Israeli Defense Forces Website. I did not make those numbers up. They both provide a breakdown of terrorist activities in both the territories and in Israel proper.

Wannabe suicide bombers? Well yes. But then here in the US ,and I suppose over in Britain, you also imprison those who attempt murder, or attempt armed robbery. Not really a difference. So why should not a wannabe (attempted) suicide bomber be put in prison, and why should he should he be released? Why should he be released if you know that upon his release he will simply be reinstated into his terror unit and sent out on another mission, perhaps a successful mission resulting in more Israelis being killed?

No other country would release such people back into their society, but then I guess as always when it comes to Jewish blood, the rules change in your book don't they amor????

[amor]

The point I was trying to make is that your claim that:

The thousands of Palestinians held in the Israeli prisoners are there becuase Israel captured them in their attempts to commit suicide bombings all over Israel. They are rightfully held for their crimes. Israel has every right to try them and sentence them.

is false, Palestinians who are held in Israeli jails are accused of many things,only a small minority of those are accused of attempting suicide bombings. Very simply do you concede that your claim is false.

If so, doesn't it rather undermine the your much self-claimed credibility? If it is true please furnish those Israeli statistics that back up your claim.

[nebula]

Palestinians who are held in Israeli jails are accused of many things,only a small minority of those are accused of attempting suicide bombings.

Question:

What is your source of information?

[O'Dannyboy]

There is no relation between the affair of the kidnapped soldier and the arrests,

[Guest shiloh357]

The point I was trying to make is that your claim that:

The thousands of Palestinians held in the Israeli prisoners are there becuase Israel captured them in their attempts to commit suicide bombings all over Israel. They are rightfully held for their crimes. Israel has every right to try them and sentence them.

is false, Palestinians who are held in Israeli jails are accused of many things,only a small minority of those are accused of attempting suicide bombings. Very simply do you concede that your claim is false.

If so, doesn't it rather undermine the your much self-claimed credibility? If it is true please furnish those Israeli statistics that back up your claim.

Both the Israeli Defense Forces and Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs provide statistical analysis of terrorist attacks perpetrated on Israelis in both the territories, and in Israel itself. They also break it down in terms of the years and types of attacks. They are easy to navigate and find.

For your benefit amor, here are a couple of links to get you started:

Terror activity against Israel from 2000-2004 IDF Website Will pop up as a Word document.

Terror activity against Israel 2005 There are all other kinds of links for you to explore on this site.

The truth is that nearly 30,000 terrorist attacks (including both those that were successful and those that were not) could hardly be perpetrated by a "minority" of those thousands of Palestinians in Israeli prisons today. This is not a handful guys in a truck running around Israel.

You are a parrot, amor. You have been fed the liberal propaganda, and your sympathy for the Palestinians cause you to disregard even their own remarks. You continuously hold out the hopeless idea of the two-state solution and you do this even though the Palestinian Authority AND Hamas, AND the Arab world readily admit they do not and will not EVER recognize Israel's right to exist, and will never stop until Israel is destroyed. This is the position of the ARAB WORLD not a few radicals. You do not posssess the integrity to admit what it readily apparent. It is bad enough to be ignorant of the facts of history. It is even worse to actually pretend that you can somehow sweep current events under the rug and ignore what is happening in our day.

My credibility is not at stake. You are the one on the losing end of this arguement.

[amor]

The point I was trying to make is that your claim that:

The thousands of Palestinians held in the Israeli prisoners are there becuase Israel captured them in their attempts to commit suicide bombings all over Israel. They are rightfully held for their crimes. Israel has every right to try them and sentence them.

is false, Palestinians who are held in Israeli jails are accused of many things,only a small minority of those are accused of attempting suicide bombings. Very simply do you concede that your claim is false.

If so, doesn't it rather undermine the your much self-claimed credibility? If it is true please furnish those Israeli statistics that back up your claim.

Both the Israeli Defense Forces and Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs provide statistical analysis of terrorist attacks perpetrated on Israelis in both the territories, and in Israel itself. They also break it down in terms of the years and types of attacks. They are easy to navigate and find.

For your benefit amor, here are a couple of links to get you started:

Terror activity against Israel from 2000-2004 IDF Website Will pop up as a Word document.

Terror activity against Israel 2005 There are all other kinds of links for you to explore on this site.

The truth is that nearly 30,000 terrorist attacks (including both those that were successful and those that were not) could hardly be perpetrated by a "minority" of those thousands of Palestinians in Israeli prisons today. This is not a handful guys in a truck running around Israel.

You are a parrot, amor. You have been fed the liberal propaganda, and your sympathy for the Palestinians cause you to disregard even their own remarks. You continuously hold out the hopeless idea of the two-state solution and you do this even though the Palestinian Authority AND Hamas, AND the Arab world readily admit they do not and will not EVER recognize Israel's right to exist, and will never stop until Israel is destroyed. This is the position of the ARAB WORLD not a few radicals. You do not posssess the integrity to admit what it readily apparent. It is bad enough to be ignorant of the facts of history. It is even worse to actually pretend that you can somehow sweep current events under the rug and ignore what is happening in our day.

My credibility is not at stake. You are the one on the losing end of this arguement.

The point I am trying to make is the very sloppiness of your arguments. Again I return to your initial claim which is what I specifically criticised in the above post.

The thousands of Palestinians held in the Israeli prisoners are there becuase Israel captured them in their attempts to commit suicide bombings all over Israel. They are rightfully held for their crimes. Israel has every right to try them and sentence them

and contrast it with a quote from onew of the sites you cite (does this use of dources satisfy you Nebula) which claims that:

It should be noted that during the 34 months of confrontation (beginning on 29 September 2000) up until the establishment of the security fence in July 2003, operational infrastructures in Samaria perpetrated 73 deadly large-scale terrorist attacks (suicide attacks and/or car bombs) inside Israel, in which 293 Israelis were murdered and 1,950 were wounded. In the 28 months following August 2003 and up to December 2005, they succeeded in perpetrating 11 such attacks inside Israel, in which 54 Israelis were murdered and 358 were wounded.

Showing us that in total since 29 September 1999 there have been 84 suicide attacks

Clearly then the vast majority of those held are not being held for suicide attacks , but for a variety of other acts too - including throwing stones at tanks.

That makes your claim wrong and any amount of verbose blustering on your part won't make it right.

[nebula]

The thousands of Palestinians held in the Israeli prisoners are there becuase Israel captured them in their attempts to commit suicide bombings all over Israel. They are rightfully held for their crimes. Israel has every right to try them and sentence them

and contrast it with a quote from onew of the sites you cite (does this use of dources satisfy you Nebula) which claims that:

It should be noted that during the 34 months of confrontation (beginning on 29 September 2000) up until the establishment of the security fence in July 2003, operational infrastructures in Samaria perpetrated 73 deadly large-scale terrorist attacks (suicide attacks and/or car bombs) inside Israel, in which 293 Israelis were murdered and 1,950 were wounded. In the 28 months following August 2003 and up to December 2005, they succeeded in perpetrating 11 such attacks inside Israel, in which 54 Israelis were murdered and 358 were wounded.

Showing us that in total since 29 September 1999 there have been 84 suicide attacks

Clearly then the vast majority of those held are not being held for suicide attacks , but for a variety of other acts too - including throwing stones at tanks.

That makes your claim wrong and any amount of verbose blustering on your part won't make it right.

Amor, the prisoners are those who were caught attempting suicide bombings. The 84 successful blew themselves up in the process.

Your "reference" is an assumption made on your part. I want references that actually state the prisoners were arrested for things other than terrorist activities.

[Guest shiloh357]

The point I am trying to make is the very sloppiness of your arguments. Again I return to your initial claim which is what I specifically criticised in the above post.

The thousands of Palestinians held in the Israeli prisoners are there becuase Israel captured them in their attempts to commit suicide bombings all over Israel. They are rightfully held for their crimes. Israel has every right to try them and sentence them

and contrast it with a quote from onew of the sites you cite (does this use of dources satisfy you Nebula) which claims that:

It should be noted that during the 34 months of confrontation (beginning on 29 September 2000) up until the establishment of the security fence in July 2003, operational infrastructures in Samaria perpetrated 73 deadly large-scale terrorist attacks (suicide attacks and/or car bombs) inside Israel, in which 293 Israelis were murdered and 1,950 were wounded. In the 28 months following August 2003 and up to December 2005, they succeeded in perpetrating 11 such attacks inside Israel, in which 54 Israelis were murdered and 358 were wounded.

Showing us that in total since 29 September 1999 there have been 84 suicide attacks

Clearly then the vast majority of those held are not being held for suicide attacks , but for a variety of other acts too - including throwing stones at tanks.

That makes your claim wrong and any amount of verbose blustering on your part won't make it right.

So, amor, were you born missing the point, or did you have to work at it????

The men in prison are the ones who Israel caught. Had Israel not acted in self defense, the 84 successful suicide attacks would have been much higher. Your information on proves that Israel has been quite successful in averting would be suicide bombers and other types of terrorists.

I should clarify a point I made earlier. The majority of the Palestinians in Israeli jails are terrorists. Are all of them would be suicide bombers, yes. Some are also masterminds of planned attacks, others are the bomb manufacturers and still others were detained because the provided support/aid to the terrorists in one fashion or another. In America, we call that being an "accessory," and as such, an "accessory" to a crime is considered worthy of the same fate as the person actually committing the crime, being it a murder, theft, etc. So even if it could be argued that some of the prisoners are not suicide bombers per se, they are still part of the problem.

amor, you really don't know what you are talking about. The more you try to defend these terrorists, the more we see what kind of person you REALLY are.

[amor]

So, amor, were you born missing the point, or did you have to work at it????

I should clarify a point I made earlier. The majority of the Palestinians in Israeli jails are terrorists. Are all of them would be suicide bombers, yes. Some are also masterminds of planned attacks, others are the bomb manufacturers and still others were detained because the provided support/aid to the terrorists in one fashion or another.

Oh really, well two 13 year old boys here (perhaps you would class them as men, I would call them children), their crime throwing stones at soldiers guarding the new Israeli "Iron curtain" that they are building on Palestinian land.

Schoolboys Zakariya and Nemer know only too well the danger the soldiers pose. On 22 March 2005, six months after construction first started on the wall, the 13-year olds were arrested for throwing stones at soldiers guarding workers near the wall. The soldiers caught the friends as they were going home after school; they kicked the boys, blindfolded them, tied their hands and put them into the back of a waiting jeep.

The boys were taken a military camp about a kilometre away

[Guest shiloh357]

Oh really, well two 13 year old boys here (perhaps you would class them as men, I would call them children), their crime throwing stones at soldiers guarding the new Israeli "Iron curtain" that they are building on Palestinian land.

That hardly bolsters your claim that the majority of Palestinians in Israeli prisons are not terrorists. Besides I have already admitted that there are probably a few hundred that are being incarcerated for non terrorist activities.

The point still stands that you cannot demonstrate how that only a very few Palestinians in Israeli prisons account for the near thirty thousand terrorist attacks on Israel in the last 6 years.

amor, you are simply don't know what you are talking about. You have already lost this arguement. You can drum up all the articles you want, but you simply cannot support your position. Give it up. You lose.