Is it possible?

[Abigailwc]

It's gonna be another 100-page post!

[Guest man]

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Cussing is a sin you know.

[Guest man]

Mark777

Jesus was God who knew Judas' heart but picked him to fulfill prophecy. There is no problem there. Jesus opens himself to all men, even devils, its just that devils don't accept Him or love God.

Devils may not love God but they do accept Him.

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble!

[Guest LadyC]

Mark777

Jesus was God who knew Judas' heart but picked him to fulfill prophecy. There is no problem there. Jesus opens himself to all men, even devils, its just that devils don't accept Him or love God.

Devils may not love God but they do accept Him.

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble!

BELIEVING that something is true is NOT the same thing as accepting Him as a personal Lord and Saviour. still though, judas DID accept Jesus, and it was mutual, because scripture makes it clear in no uncertain terms by naming him as one of the 12 apostles given the devine authority and gift of being able to cast out demons, heal the sick, etc. and then scripture makes it equally clear that judas abandoned Jesus and betrayed Him, becoming apostate.

[Guest man]

Mark777

Jesus was God who knew Judas' heart but picked him to fulfill prophecy. There is no problem there. Jesus opens himself to all men, even devils, its just that devils don't accept Him or love God.

Devils may not love God but they do accept Him.

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble!

BELIEVING that something is true is NOT the same thing as accepting Him as a personal Lord and Saviour.

I don't want to get into this with you...we're on the same side.

The point I was making is that even though these demons can't accept Him as their Lord and Savior (because they're spirits) they must accept Him for who He says He is. They have to accept the fact that He is God and they are doomed.

That's all I was saying, nothing else.

[Guest LadyC]

i know we're on the same side... i was just trying to clarify it for those who might misinterperet how you said it.

[HAZARD]

if i may intrude here and post a thought regarding judas being referred to as a devil. if you'll all recall, Jesus said "get thee behind me, satan" to peter. yet nobody here denies that peter was one of the 12, and peter had received the gift of the holy spirit.

sure, judas was a thief. he was a sinner. just as we ALL are. he was also a disciple, a friend of Jesus, a saved person. but he abandoned his faith and his loyalty to Christ and exchanged it for 30 pieces of silver. he became apostate. he never returned to Christ. peter, on the other hand, repented and made himself right with God before he died.

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Dear LadyC.

Not many get it, and it lifts my spirit when someone does have it. You my friend, have it. If we are to believe that Judas was created a sinner, a devil, from the beginning, then we can accuse God of being the author of sin, and we know this is not so.

The Greek word diabolos, translated devil in John 6:70, is also used of men. It litterally means adversary. Any human or spirit-adversary of Christ is a devil. It is translated "false accusers" (2 Tim. 3:3; Tit. 2:3), "slanderers" (1 Tim. 3:11), and "devil" elswhere. It teaches that Judas became an adversary, accuser, and slanderer of Christ. He was not a devil from the beginning as many teach. No such statement is found in the Bible of Judas, or anyone else. Even Satan was not a devil from the beginning. He was a sinless angel in the beginning (Ezek. 28:11-17).

The Scriptures are quite clear that Judas was a saved man. A devil does not have his name written in the book of life.

The Holy Spirit through Luke records that Judas, "By Transgression fell" (Acts 1:15-25).

Jesus Himself, acknowledged to the Father that of those whom the Father had given Him, Judas was the only one whom He had lost (John 17:12).

Christ COULD NOT HAVE LOST Judas if He never had him to lose.

Jesus also testified that every one (including Judas) that the Father had given Him, Jesus had given eternal life (John 17:2). Judas had this eternal life as much as the others but he became "lost" later and "by transgression fell" (Acts 1:25).

Scripture states that Judas was to be a man who was a "familiar friend" of Christ who ate of His bread, which is an idiom of close friendship (Ps. 41:9). Judas was not the enemy of Christ, but an equal in grace, a guide, and a sweet acquaintance (Ps. 55:12-13).

He was to have his habitation desolate, and be blotted out of the books of the living (Ps. 69:25-28 with Acts 1:20), and he was to have "ANOTHER TAKE HIS PLACE" in the Christian ministry and in the Kingship over one of the tribes of Israel (Ps. 109:8), because Judas, "BY TRANSGRESSION FELL" (Acts 1:15-25). "That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship FROM WHICH JUDAS BY TRANSGRESSION FELL, that he may go to his own place" (Acts 1:25). Mathias was then numbered with THE ELEVEN (Acts 1:16).

Again, the Holy Spirit through Luke records that Judas, "By Transgression fell" (Acts 1:15-25).

Jesus Himself, acknowledged to the Father that of those whom the Father had given Him, Judas was the only one whom He had lost (John 17:12).

Christ could not have lost Judas if He never had him to lose.

We Christians go too far when we assume that the Father gave Jesus an unsaved devil to preach repentance and holiness, to heal the sick, to cast out devils, and to represent the Kingdom of God among men.

If Judas never had the power of the spirit, was a devil, and healed the sick, like the other apostles and was a sucessful preacher and healer like them (Matt. 10:1-20; Mark 6:7-13), had his name written in Heaven, as proved by Acts 1:20 with Psalm 69:25-29, and fell from the apostleship by transgression (Acts 1:25 and was blotted out of the book of the living Ps. 69: 25-28 with Acts 1:20, and must have been in the book of the living at one time, and was to have "another take his place" in the ministry and in his kingship over one of the tribes of Israel (Ps. 109:8, and then these passages were fulfilled in Judas according to Matt 26:24; John 13:18 and Acts 1:16-25, why aren't we who are supposedly to at least have a measure of the Holy Spirit not strolling through our crowded hospitals and healing the sick in the Name of Jesus?

There is nothing more spicific than the plan of God for human sons to be endued with power to represent God in the Earth. The spiritual tools of God are the gifts of the spirit which He wants exercised in full.

Paul started his discourse of spiritual gifts by saying, "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethern I WOULD NOT HAVE YOU IGNORANT" (1 Cor. 12;1), and he ended his discourse by saying, "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant" (1 Cor. 14:38). It seems the more simple and detailed the truths of God are, the more people are ignorant of them. Every time Paul uses a statement such as "I would not have you be ignorant" the subject is one of the most simple in Scripture to understand. If it is at all difficult it is simply and clearly explained in detail so there can be no misunderstanding if one wants to understand at all. The only way any person could not undersatnd that Judas actually had the Holy Spirit and the gift of healing as the other disciples had, because the twelve went out "two by two" preaching and healing the sick, is that they deliberately refuse to understand because the idea of Judas actually being originally saved like the other disciples, and that Jesus did lose Judas, so Jesus must have had him to have lost him, does not fit their pet theory.

Paul taught that one may have the gifts of the Spirit and still not have love and they would profit nothing (1 Cor. 13:1-3).

[thomascjr]

Judas was saved and did do as the other 12 did. but he backslid from his calling and yes jesus knew he would. read Joh 13:27 it says that satan entered judas after he sopped the bread in the cup with jesus so satan was not always in judas.

[thomascjr]

??? Can a person who had a real relationship with Jesus walk away from their salvation and end up hearing the words, "Depart from Me," on Judgment Day???

I'd like to hear some of your responses before I put mine out there. Please give scripture references to back-up your view or opinion.

and to answer your question yes you can walk away from your salvation, if you turn back to sin willingly, paul states in hebrews ch. 10 that if you willingly sin after recieving the knowledge of the truth there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, he goes on to state in Heb 10:28

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three

witnesses:

Heb 10:29

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy,

who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of

the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done

despite unto the Spirit of grace?

If you truley repent of your sins and turn away from them and live your life through the spirit of god, you can overcome all sin, yes we fail as men but if you live by faith in god when you do fail the spirit will quicken you to repent of what youve done. There are to many "christians" who teach that you can sin all you want because jesus died for our sins but thats wrong. In John 5:14 and 8: 11 jesus said to go and sin no more so through jesus we can live without sin. Its not easy but possible.

But i like to remember that no matter what you do god will always give you one more second chance.

If you backslide god will always be there for he will never leave us nor forsake us.

check out the song one more second chance by ths band

http://www.silencingthestones.com