Is there a difference?

[RND]

I'm sorry, I disagree with you. Where in the NT does it specifically say "Thou shalt not...." about the rest of the 9 items contained in the Decologue?

RND,

Undeniably, God has given different laws to different people at different times. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Heb. 13:8), but this refers to God's character and nature, not to His laws for men.

Hebrews 7:12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Are you required to be circumcised? To build an ark? To sacrifice animals?

Why then are you so insistant on requiring me to observe a day?

Col 2:16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Galatians 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

Doesn't God have two specific sets of Laws? One stored inside the ark of the covenant the other, the book stored on the outside?

Indeed, since Christ came and we are now grafted into the tree of the family of Abrham we are all priests, but is the word Sabbath or a direct command not to observe it found in Hebrews 7?

I am not required to be circumcised? The ceremonial law dealing with it was nailed to the cross.

I have not built an ark ever, nor am I aware that it was required in either set of the Law.

I have never sacraficed an animal, the last sacrafice was made on the cross with the shedding of the blood of the Lamb of the God that takes away the sin of the World.

Wordsower, if you are going to quote Colossians 2, I think it is handy to quote from verse 14 on so we can get the gist of what the chapter is really talking about.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; (Be honest isn't this the book of the law, and not the tables of stone?) 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (So wasn't Paul really saying the Passover, Feast of Tabernacles, etc were a shadow of things to come?) 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. (Isn't Paul really saying, that the church is not held togather with the ceremonial laws?) 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Wasn't Paul really asking, if you are now Christ's why do you make yourself subject to the commandments and doctrines of men? I agree with this. Trouble is, the Ten Commandments weren't from men, they were from God.

Paul was essentially saying the same thing with respect to Galatians 4:10. Remember, the Jews that were being brought into the church were attempting to enforce these ceremonial laws on the newly convertered Gentiles. Paul and Barnabas were dispatched to 'enlighten' these misguided Jews. See Acts Chapter 15.

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Windsower, if you were indeed an SDA you should certainly know there is a distinct difference between the Law of God and the Law of Moses and the observance of them.

[wordsower]

Me in Blue, and I'm not sowing the wind, it is wordsower,

Doesn't God have two specific sets of Laws? One stored inside the ark of the covenant the other, the book stored on the outside?

What about the other items that were placed within the Ark? They were just as significant for their time. The ark contained a golden jar of manna and Aaron's staff that had blossomed (Hebrews 9:3-4). Since these items were in the Ark along with the two tablets of stone, it would make sense they would also hold some kind of special significance or observance for us today as well? Who distinguishes what is to be upheld or ignored? The Bible does.

A better question for you is: where is the Ark now? Why is it no longer here? All the items in it including the tablets are gone. The fact that it is not among us today seems proof that the whole old covenant has faded away completely not only in part. As Christians we live under a new covenant operating by the work of Christ on our behalf. So your argument in favor of required law observance today fails. Just as the temple was destroyed to show the sacrificial system is no longer necessary, likewise the ark was no longer found before Christ's coming. All the items in the temple- both the written law and the 10 Commandments as well as the ark are all gone. Even Moses was never found.

At the transfiguration Moses and Elijah (representing the law and the prophets) appeared and then when Jesus appeared they disappeared. Do you see a recurring theme here? Jesus fulfilled and replaced the law and the prophets.

Indeed, since Christ came and we are now grafted into the tree of the family of Abrham we are all priests, but is the word Sabbath or a direct command not to observe it found in Hebrews 7?

Observe it if you want, but where does it say you are required to? Instead it says if you try to keep one point of the law you are in debt to keep the whole thing. Can you do that?I am not required to be circumcised? The ceremonial law dealing with it was nailed to the cross.

I have not built an ark ever, nor am I aware that it was required in either set of the Law.

Point being, it was a command from God to Noah.

I have never sacraficed an animal, the last sacrafice was made on the cross with the shedding of the blood of the Lamb of the God that takes away the sin of the World.

Well, I feel better about that.

Wordsower, if you are going to quote Colossians 2, I think it is handy to quote from verse 14 on so we can get the gist of what the chapter is really talking about.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; (Be honest isn't this the book of the law, and not the tables of stone?) 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (So wasn't Paul really saying the Passover, Feast of Tabernacles, etc were a shadow of things to come?) 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. (Isn't Paul really saying, that the church is not held togather with the ceremonial laws?) 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Wasn't Paul really asking, if you are now Christ's why do you make yourself subject to the commandments and doctrines of men? I agree with this. Trouble is, the Ten Commandments weren't from men, they were from God.

RND, JEsus HImself said the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. You are twisting everything you just posted to fit your theology.

Paul was essentially saying the same thing with respect to Galatians 4:10. Remember, the Jews that were being brought into the church were attempting to enforce these ceremonial laws on the newly convertered Gentiles. Paul and Barnabas were dispatched to 'enlighten' these misguided Jews. See Acts Chapter 15.

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Windsower, if you were indeed an SDA you should certainly know there is a distinct difference between the Law of God and the Law of Moses and the observance of them.

RND, When Moses read the commandments to the children of Israel, they ignorantly said, "We will do all that the Lord has said." Moses, realizing they couldn't, immediately started throwing blood on them.

There is one central theme.........