Women in the Church today

[Snow4JC]

Greetings ~ Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem+

There are alot of churches in the area where I live that now have women Pastors.

Is the reason for this because there are less men choosing to study to become a Pastor?

Is the reason because women Pastors have more compassion for people?

I know the Bible states, "As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says." ICorinthians 14: 34.

"As even the law says." Does this mean the law of Moses?

How far does this Bible verse extend?

Does it apply to say Worthy Boards?

There are alot of women who are members of WBs. I for one. We all know the church is made up of Christian men and women. We are a body, not necessarly in a building.

Heavenly Father, I pray that everyone will read this topic carefully. I pray that you will give them the right words to share with us. I pray that you Bless All with your Patience and Joy, in Jesus' name, Amen.+++

Snow

[Leonard]

It is very recent that women were allowed ordination by any Christian group. The churches which are liturgical, and faithful the word of God, have never ordained women.

This does not mean nobody ought to.

When Jesus said 'Whatsoever you bind in earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose in earth shall be loosed in heaven," He was borrowing terminology from the synagogue. Synagogues existed in every corner of the known world (and beyond, possibly as far away as China by the time of Jesus!), and the Jews early on recognized that some of their synagogue customs might be quite scandalous in some cultures. So, for all but the most important aspects, they gave local synagogues in different areas the right to 'bind' certain rules, or 'loose' other rules so as not to scandalize their Gentile neighbors.

I take it that this also is the right Jesus is giving to churches. Still, we must recognize that although Jesus violated about every social norm of His day, He never ordained a woman..............

[Snow4JC]

Greetings ~ Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem+

There are alot of churches in the area where I live that now have women Pastors.

Is the reason for this because there are less men choosing to study to become a Pastor?

Is the reason because women Pastors have more compassion for people?

I know the Bible states, "As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says." ICorinthians 14: 34.

"As even the law says." Does this mean the law of Moses?

How far does this Bible verse extend?

Does it apply to say Worthy Boards?

There are alot of women who are members of WBs. I for one. We all know the church is made up of Christian men and women. We are a body, not necessarly in a building.

Heavenly Father, I pray that everyone will read this topic carefully. I pray that you will give them the right words to share with us. I pray that you Bless All with your Patience and Joy, in Jesus' name, Amen.+++

Snow

I cannot take the time to write right now, but here are some links. This issue is much bigger than a surface reading of a few select passages as has been the tradition, but involves many factors.

http://theology.fether.net/index.php?id=353

http://theology.fether.net/index.php?whichone=1 (scroll down to the Ws)

http://www.equalitycentral.com/eca/index.html

http://www.equalitycentral.com/forum/

I went to the first web site and all I can say at this time is Oh Brother and Oh Boy!

Snow

[Nero's Fiddle]

A verse that deals more directly with woman pastors is 1 Timothy 2:12, also written by Paul:

"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

In other places, women are exhorted to instruct other women and children. The question at issue here is preaching, because the position of preacher is a certain type of authority and responsibilty the Bible says women should not occupy.

The Bible also says in another place that a pastor must be the husband of one wife. Have you ever met a woman (in God's will ) who was, or could be, the husband of one wife?

Think about the husband of a woman pastor. That family could not maintain Scriptural lines of authority.

(There is actually one point of explanation for this given directly in the Bible. It is Eve, not Adam, who was deceived... because we are more prone to emotionalism, women are often more susceptible to falsehood, and more sensitive to the opinions of others about us.)

You should read Elizabeth George's writings. She was saved out of the WLM, and now writes books for women about what God instructs women to do and be.

[Floatingaxe]

I am reading the most enlightening book on this topic right now. It is called "Why Not Women?" written by Loren Cunningham (founder of YWAM) and David Joel Hamilton. I highly recommend this book as it tells us the truth about the great deception about the role of women in the kingdom of God.

Maybe when I am finished it, I will make a contribution here about such a topic, but right now, it is a "red-light" topic for me!

Blessings!

[Snow4JC]

Greetings - Please Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem+

Yesterday I purchased a book,"Secrets of the Code." Written by Dan Burstein. I haven't gotten to far into it yet I can now understand why the churches were so upset with "The DA Vinic Code movie.

Secrets of the Code is trying to bring to "Light" the coverups produced by men during early church time.

Today, Women are making a grand entry into our culture as ministers/pastors. The thing I don't understand is that men of today are letting them do it.

Maybe this is why someone wrote a book, "Men are from Mars & Women are from Venus"

something like that.

Does all of this fall under the false prophets thought.

I think the whole idea of women speeking out does have a major affect on some of the WB's Men members.

Snow4JC

[Nero's Fiddle]

I think the whole idea of women speeking out does have a major affect on some of the WB's Men members.

Are you saying that women shouldn't post here?

These boards are supposed to be for discussion among Christians of equal standing. No one is setting themself up in a position of pastoral/preaching authority.

Women are definitely NOT barred from ever talking about Christ!

Consider some Biblical examples:

(Each of these women spoke to others of God's truth, though none of them preached.)

In Jewish thinking, everything had to be established by two witnesses to be accepted. The Jews of Jesus' day generally accepted only male witnesses. However, one of the two witnesses of Jesus' Messiahship at birth was the widow Anna (the other being Simeon)! She realized who Jesus was, and then "spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem."

The woman at the well in Samaria spoke to Christ Himself of her belief that Messiah would come and teach them all things.

After He told her He was the Christ, she went and told the people of the village of Him.

Martha, Lazarus' sister, spoke of Scripture truth to Christ in response to a question.

Mary Magdalene was the one who first told the disciples that Christ had risen from the dead, as He said He would.

[jamie]

Mary, the mother of Jesus, and Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist were pretty special too.

If people are so interested in crossing every t and dotting every i then we need to tear down the whole structure of the modern church and start over.

According to the biblical model the whole body should provide a function, and that includes woman....But thats another can of worms.

[Guest man]

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 1 Tim. 2:14

...the head of woman is man... 1 Corin. 11:3

Women are not to have authority over man.

Those are my beliefs.

[Guest man]

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 1 Tim. 2:14

...the head of woman is man... 1 Corin. 11:3

Women are not to have authority over man. (where the teachings of God are concerned)

Those are my beliefs.

Edited July 16, 2006 by man