Women in the Church today

[Smalcald]

Hi Floatingax,

How do you handle the versus which specifically spell out who is to be a deacon, elder and bishop?

I mean I personally have no problem with women pretty much serving in any role they are called by God to serve in the Church. Women are obviously qualified to perform all roles, but that is not the point. I must adhere to scripture first. There are several things I don't understand in scripture, but am compelled to follow and bind myself to, this being one of them.

For me women are called to be evangelists, teachers, administrators, prophets, etc, but in the case of pastor, no we have direct guidance on that role from scripture, and it is to be men only. I just can't walk away from scripture on that.

[st. Worm]

This isn't some radical feminist movement we are talking about, nor is it deception on my part---in fact, the lack or denial of women in ministry is a result of a culture problem, that isn't much different than the male-dominated Jewish culture that Jesus found. He came to disrupt that. It is the church that is robbing women of the call of God on their lives.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for women's ordination as Christian pastors. None. However there is ample biblical evidence showing that pastors, elders and others in authority should be men only. This is not a cultural problem for those pushing church feminism and women's ordination, its a biblical problem and they know it.

sw

[Floatingaxe]

Hi Floatingax,

How do you handle the versus which specifically spell out who is to be a deacon, elder and bishop?

I mean I personally have no problem with women pretty much serving in any role they are called by God to serve in the Church. Women are obviously qualified to perform all roles, but that is not the point. I must adhere to scripture first. There are several things I don't understand in scripture, but am compelled to follow and bind myself to, this being one of them.

For me women are called to be evangelists, teachers, administrators, prophets, etc, but in the case of pastor, no we have direct guidance on that role from scripture, and it is to be men only. I just can't walk away from scripture on that.

There was no feminine form for the word used to denote deacon or minister for Paul. The word is "diakonos". However, in King James Version, we see that the feminine form "deaconess" was translated thus. For Paul, there was no distinction--both men and women were called deacons!

[st. Worm]

Hi Floatingax,

How do you handle the versus which specifically spell out who is to be a deacon, elder and bishop?

I mean I personally have no problem with women pretty much serving in any role they are called by God to serve in the Church. Women are obviously qualified to perform all roles, but that is not the point. I must adhere to scripture first. There are several things I don't understand in scripture, but am compelled to follow and bind myself to, this being one of them.

For me women are called to be evangelists, teachers, administrators, prophets, etc, but in the case of pastor, no we have direct guidance on that role from scripture, and it is to be men only. I just can't walk away from scripture on that.

There was no feminine form for the word used to denote deacon or minister for Paul. The word is "diakonos". However, in King James Version, we see that the feminine form "deaconess" was translated thus. For Paul, there was no distinction--both men and women were called deacons!

The issue is the not the term deacon. The issue is authority. Churches where deacons have specific or implied authority should limit the office of deacon to men only and most do. Where deacons are only a service office without authority then women can serve.

sw

[Floatingaxe]

Hi Floatingax,

How do you handle the versus which specifically spell out who is to be a deacon, elder and bishop?

I mean I personally have no problem with women pretty much serving in any role they are called by God to serve in the Church. Women are obviously qualified to perform all roles, but that is not the point. I must adhere to scripture first. There are several things I don't understand in scripture, but am compelled to follow and bind myself to, this being one of them.

For me women are called to be evangelists, teachers, administrators, prophets, etc, but in the case of pastor, no we have direct guidance on that role from scripture, and it is to be men only. I just can't walk away from scripture on that.

There was no feminine form for the word used to denote deacon or minister for Paul. The word is "diakonos". However, in King James Version, we see that the feminine form "deaconess" was translated thus. For Paul, there was no distinction--both men and women were called deacons!

The issue is the not the term deacon. The issue is authority. Churches where deacons have specific or implied authority should limit the office of deacon to men only and most do. Where deacons are only a service office without authority then women can serve.

sw

Not!

[Smalcald]

But Floatingax,

Paul spells out that a bishop, for example, should be a man married to only one women? It is direct. It is male and specifically so.

[Guest jckduboise]

This isn't some radical feminist movement we are talking about, nor is it deception on my part---in fact, the lack or denial of women in ministry is a result of a culture problem, that isn't much different than the male-dominated Jewish culture that Jesus found. He came to disrupt that. It is the church that is robbing women of the call of God on their lives.

it is deception..very clearly deception. The authority was given to man to lead the church and women..the authority is Christ's to lead man..and God remains head! God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow..His word has not changed since the beginning on this subject..this has nothing to do with culture problems unless of course a person comes from a feminist culture.

[Floatingaxe]

This isn't some radical feminist movement we are talking about, nor is it deception on my part---in fact, the lack or denial of women in ministry is a result of a culture problem, that isn't much different than the male-dominated Jewish culture that Jesus found. He came to disrupt that. It is the church that is robbing women of the call of God on their lives.

it is deception..very clearly deception. The authority was given to man to lead the church and women..the authority is Christ's to lead man..and God remains head! God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow..His word has not changed since the beginning on this subject..this has nothing to do with culture problems unless of course a person comes from a feminist culture.

Wow! You have dilineated the deception.

[Guest jckduboise]

This isn't some radical feminist movement we are talking about, nor is it deception on my part---in fact, the lack or denial of women in ministry is a result of a culture problem, that isn't much different than the male-dominated Jewish culture that Jesus found. He came to disrupt that. It is the church that is robbing women of the call of God on their lives.

it is deception..very clearly deception. The authority was given to man to lead the church and women..the authority is Christ's to lead man..and God remains head! God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow..His word has not changed since the beginning on this subject..this has nothing to do with culture problems unless of course a person comes from a feminist culture.

Wow! You have dilineated the deception.

is that what you call it? I call it obedience to the Lord..

blessings to you

[firehill]

But Floatingax,

Paul spells out that a bishop, for example, should be a man married to only one women? It is direct. It is male and specifically so.

Phoebe was a deacon not a deaconess as floatingaxe has explained. Yet, 'A deacon must be faithful to his wife...' 1 Timothy 3:12. The name phoebe should not be changed into a masculine one as Junia was into Junias.