when we enter the kingdom

[RND]

Actually I am listing the context of each passage. You have not really responded here other than to say "no its not". When you have a substantive argument, please let me know

Sorry, but you are the one who has chosen to ignore the very plain meaning of scripture, not I.

So, how does it feel to agree with Satan?

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

God knew that in the day they ate of the fruit of the tree they too would surely die. God has been true to his word ever since.

All die because of Adam and Eve's sin.

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[RND]

I am waiting for you to show me how I controted myself regarding that passage

When I said you were contorting yourself I meant in respect to all your attempted refutiation of the scripture I presented, not just Job 21.

[EricH]

Actually I am listing the context of each passage. You have not really responded here other than to say "no its not". When you have a substantive argument, please let me know

Sorry, but you are the one who has chosen to ignore the very plain meaning of scripture, not I.

So, how does it feel to agree with Satan?

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

God knew that in the day they ate of the fruit of the tree they too would surely die. God has been true to his word ever since.

All die because of Adam and Eve's sin.

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So, according to you, the ousl dieing means that it ceases to be couscious is that correct?

[RND]

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So do the unrepentant who die go to be with the Lord in Heaven?

Do they get kicked out on the last day?

Do they go straight to hell and cook a few thousand years prior to anyone in our generation?

Is there any scripture that would support that position?

Is Paul taking about the saved only in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 or is he taking about everyone?

Is there an actual refernce to the immediacy of time in this passage?

[RND]

So, according to you, the ousl dieing means that it ceases to be couscious is that correct?

For the righteous until Jesus returns, that is correct. The dead in Christ rise first, those that are alive in the earth at the time of Jesus' return meet them in the air, and the wicked are destroyed by the brightness of his coming.

[RND]

well i have to disagree and you need some scripture to back that up.

THE LAST COUPLE CHAPTERS OF REVELATION. You know, the book most Christians choose not to read because it upsets their theology.

You have not really stated anything of substance here. So nothing has been proved

Revelation Chapter 21 - 22:5. Do I have to post the text, or would you like to look it up. It is clear as glass that the City we live in for eternity descends to earth. As a matter of fact, it descended from Heaven to Earth. I am not exactly sure what else you want.

I have run into many people who held many different viewson things over the years of ministry. However, I have only run into one pastor who thought we would live in Heaven for eternity. After about 2 min. of reading, he said he could not believe he had "been so stupid."

I think we are referring here to whether or not the 'soul' lives for eternity. Clearly, from scripture, it does not.

Proverbs 8:36

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Ezekiel 18:4

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

[gekko]

let me throw something out here that will probably get EVERYBODY's head spinning...

RND - you say that the soul cannot live for eternity.

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has anyone ever heard of "salvation of the soul" ? also "salvation of the spirit" ?

salvation of the spirit is what most of christendom call salvation.

but there is the salvation of the soul - 1 Peter 1:9 - Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

so yes - the soul can live for eternity. God takes back the spirit that he gave us.

[billie]

let me throw something out here that will probably get EVERYBODY's head spinning...

RND - you say that the soul cannot live for eternity.

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has anyone ever heard of "salvation of the soul" ? also "salvation of the spirit" ?

salvation of the spirit is what most of christendom call salvation.

but there is the salvation of the soul - 1 Peter 1:9 - Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

so yes - the soul can live for eternity. God takes back the spirit that he gave us.

That actually really makes sense, gekko.

[EricH]

We are composed of 3 separate yet related components. 1. Spirit 2. soul. 3. Body. The Spirit will live forever, either with Christ of with Satan. The soul and the flesh will die. (assuming not raptured) The soul and body(in regenerated form) will rejoin the spirit at the rapture of the Church. There are confusing referenes in scripture however. The spirit and soul are so closely entertwined that they can be extremely hard to understand.

This thread has evolved into a Spirit, Soul debate. It began an entirely different discussion.

That is a good point. I think it has morphed. In addition, statements accusing people of agreeing with Satan indicate the spirit has gone bad. I am going to close this