Self-Contradictions of the Bible

[Arjuous]

I believe that if one "was a Christian for 20 years" that they were only acting the part, and were not truly changed by the relationship that Jesus forms with us through His Holy Spirit. Usually when people renounce the Lord, it is because they never really knew Him, but rather had a form of religion. It is a relationship with the Living Christ! Not religion. Religion is dead, and you know what? God detests religion!

Please do not say you were a Christian for 20 years. A true Christian does not renounce their faith...ever. He just cannot do it! Once you have the truth, you cannot unknow it. Once you taste of Life, you cannot want death!

How dare you. Who do you think you are to tell ME about what I'VE experienced? How can you have the gall to tell me that I was not genuine when I begged to God to save me at 13. That I was not genuine when I wept and begged the Lord after a family tragedy to care for my loved ones. Debate me on the issues, but don't ever speak to me as if you have the authority to determine how strong my faith once was.

I was a true Christian and I DID, in fact, renounce my faith. Either two things can be true by this happening. Either, as you have so falsely asserted, I never was a Christian in the first place, or there's a good reason for leaving Christianity. If you think that only the former can be true, then by definition you don't have the capacity to engage in discussion about it.

[Floatingaxe]

I am sorry that you have become enraged. Then was it a form of religion that you were relying on so heavily? There is no good reason for leaving the Lord of All who loves you with such a passion! He is waiting for you to return, the prodigal son. He is ever so patient.

I pray that God will not remove His hand of Love from off you.

Blessings.

[Arjuous]

I am sorry that you have become enraged. Then was it a form of religion that you were relying on so heavily? There is no good reason for leaving the Lord of All who loves you with such a passion! He is waiting for you to return, the prodigal son. He is ever so patient.

I pray that God will not remove His hand of Love from off you.

Blessings.

Piousness, rhetoric, and a refusal to address the issue....surprising.

[Candi770]

You have already arrived at your answer and have many false prophets like this mans book to follow-You are wise to the point as having already attained-everything you will ever need.

You will continue to find these men to follow because it's what you want to hear-regardless of whether or not it is fact or fiction.

Nobody has come to a full understanding of God. But its more than just a head knowledge it is a personal relationship. He is true and He is living. Many hear his voice and follow it, whether popular or not.

If you no longer serve him-you now serve the opposite. Unfortunately-the devil is using you to spread your message of confussion and hate. But again, I'm sure you don't believe in the devil either.

[Floatingaxe]

I am sorry that you have become enraged. Then was it a form of religion that you were relying on so heavily? There is no good reason for leaving the Lord of All who loves you with such a passion! He is waiting for you to return, the prodigal son. He is ever so patient.

I pray that God will not remove His hand of Love from off you.

Blessings.

Piousness, rhetoric, and a refusal to address the issue....surprising.

There is no piety, no rhetoric nor is there a refusal in my response. I have made my observation and I am offering you a chance to answer my question...was it not a mere religious experience that you have had? If so, then I understand your renunciation completely. Ther is such a thing as a false convert. These people are those who have come to Christ on the basis that they have been told and choose to believe that if they believe in Jesus, their lives will be happy and free from trouble. That is a lie, and so, when they say their little sinners' prayer, and start their lives with Him, all of a sudden, trouble comes barreling down the pike! uh-oh! Their "faith" ( I say expectations) is shattered! Rightly so...as their faith was in the wrong thing. That is the failure of the church of this generation, Arjuous. But Jesus Christ and His message is not a failure to those who truly know Him and know that He is real and He is there in the trouble.

[sylvan3]

You have already arrived at your answer and have many false prophets like this mans book to follow-You are wise to the point as having already attained-everything you will ever need.

You will continue to find these men to follow because it's what you want to hear-regardless of whether or not it is fact or fiction.

To the contrary, Arjuous is being very honest in my opinion. It is an honesty that I can relate to.

Nobody has come to a full understanding of God. But its more than just a head knowledge it is a personal relationship. He is true and He is living. Many hear his voice and follow it, whether popular or not.

I wouldn't necessarily trust voices that I hear.

If you no longer serve him-you now serve the opposite. Unfortunately-the devil is using you to spread your message of confussion and hate. But again, I'm sure you don't believe in the devil either.

No, I don't believe in the devil, but I can't speak for Arjuous. One has to have faith to believe in the devil--I find that to be an irrational concept.

Edited July 27, 2006 by sylvan3

[TheProcess]

A true Christian does not renounce their faith...ever. He just cannot do it!

What proof do you have for this claim? (I suspect this may be a matter of mere dogma on your part.)

[Candi770]

Sylvan3,

I realize that you both speak honestly from your heart-but where did you get your indoctrination into your belief-regardless-you both are directed by what you know to

be the truth by some means. Obviously it is not the God we serve. This book that

he mention in his original post-this man is against our God and could be considered

false-because he leads people away from the truth of God. If a christian follows teachings

contrary to the word of God- they also could be mislead.

The only voice that the true christian listens to is the voice of the Lord and can discern when it isn't the Lord. His voice has never let us down. Sylvan- That voice speaks loud and clear to me- through the word of God, I have hear him very clear and I have had dreams of warning. THis all came by having a relationship with Him and seeking His face. A true christian learns to tell the difference in their own voice, God and the demonic side. I agree that I do not trust every voice that I hear, because I know clearly who my shephard is. Some people, not knowing how to discern can be unfortunately-used by the demonic side. This could happen by loved ones, clergy and anyone else not submitted properly to the Lord.

Most people do not believe in the spiritual realm, but it is real. There are too many people who have had many, many experiences with it.

I'm sorry if you haven't had a true encounter with God-He is nothing like you could imagine. You have judged him unfairly- and it breaks his heart that you don't know him. I feel bad

that Arjuous never had a true chance to get to know the Lord. But in all things God does give you a choice to believe the way you do, but accordingly you must live by the choice you make.

Blessings,

candi

[sylvan3]

Sylvan3,

I realize that you both speak honestly from your heart-but where did you get your indoctrination into your belief-regardless-you both are directed by what you know to

be the truth by some means. Obviously it is not the God we serve. This book that

he mention in his original post-this man is against our God and could be considered

false-because he leads people away from the truth of God. If a christian follows teachings

contrary to the word of God- they also could be mislead.

The only voice that the true christian listens to is the voice of the Lord and can discern when it isn't the Lord. His voice has never let us down. Sylvan- That voice speaks loud and clear to me- through the word of God, I have hear him very clear and I have had dreams of warning. THis all came by having a relationship with Him and seeking His face. A true christian learns to tell the difference in their own voice, God and the demonic side. I agree that I do not trust every voice that I hear, because I know clearly who my shephard is. Some people, not knowing how to discern can be unfortunately-used by the demonic side. This could happen by loved ones, clergy and anyone else not submitted properly to the Lord.

Most people do not believe in the spiritual realm, but it is real. There are too many people who have had many, many experiences with it.

I'm sorry if you haven't had a true encounter with God-He is nothing like you could imagine. You have judged him unfairly- and it breaks his heart that you don't know him. I feel bad

that Arjuous never had a true chance to get to know the Lord. But in all things God does give you a choice to believe the way you do, but accordingly you must live by the choice you make.

Blessings,

candi

First of all, I think Arjuous has made it very clear that he has had a Christian experience, albeit unsatisfying, in his life. I have as well. I do not think that people like us are unfairly judging God, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Speaking for myself, I came to a point as a teenager (many years ago) that evidence as I percieved it in the world did NOT point to the Bible as being true. That is not to say that it is necessarily a completely bad book or that people who believe in the Bible, such as yourself, are necessarily bad people. It's just that I had to be honest with myself. I feel that honesty with oneself is the key.

[Candi770]

Sylvan3, I appreciate your response.

I find alott of times (not necessary either situation)that people go to church. At some point they make their decision to give their heart to Jesus. They are not properly discipled by the local church. Anyone can make their decision to give their heart to Jesus-that changes their spiritual life but if their mind is not regenerated by the Word of God through the Holy Spirit-no true growth is occuring.(with this ungenerated mind-when trial and temptations come-it is hard to stand-for the foundations are not firm) For the spirit requires to be fed the word of God on a regular basis- not just a head knowledge but an true feeding on it. Just like the physical man needs food, the spiritual man need the word of God. To the point that the Lord's voice will become clearer through that word. The child turns to prayer when answers to life are required and has to learn to wait. He/she also growes in understanding the Father-just as anyone learns someone through regular conversation. The child learns to hear the voice of the Lord, their own voice and the devils(discernment). Then the spiritual child begins to grow. The foundations of their heart become solid in the word of God. Through life testings and trials come-then the spiritual child learns to use the sword of the spirit (word of God)during these times. The child grows. The christian child learns to walk by the leading of the spirit instead of their flesh. Sometimes this is contrary to the worlds standards (this is not done in their own power=but by the spirit of the Lord). THe christian learns to lean and depend on his/her Father God. The Lord will also bring correction and disapline and the child continues to grow. The child recognizes the enemies plans and learns that there is spirtual authority they can use against that enemy-the true enemy-(not people-the devil) Then as the Lord leads the child begins to mature and the Lord begins feeding meat. Once the christian begins to eat the meat of the word of God (sometimes sooner) The christian realizes that the Lord is not giving his word to them for nothing-The christian is responsible to walk the walk-useing that word and sowing that word into the hearts of others (as the spirit of God requires). This is not a shoving it down your throat message-but the christian has discernment and as they walk in Christ they know that they know who the Lord lead them to witness too. Then as the spirit of God sees fit spiritual gifts are given for the situation at hand to accomplish what is need for that time frame. All the above takes time and patience-growth is not easy-set backs occur as life continues-but the Man/Woman of God learns to trust in Father God during good times and bad times. But these people are not perfect and will continue to make mistakes, etc.- but learn to get up and continue the race. Not all christians are on the same page for we are all different with different gifts, callings and talents.

(my thoughts were random and I typed from the heart)

If a child of God doesn't have a firm foundation when the storms of life come or when the worlds attitude of independence from God comes-it seems easy to give in. The devil knows the scripture and will slowly but surely lead one away unawares. Life seems easier because the devil has won the battle and no longer has to bring temptation to lead them away from God. But at any time the child can turn back to God in repentance-it will be hard but by the spirit of God they can pull through. They just have to realize that the devil will bring the temptations and try to draw them back to their former selves. They must realize that the This is not a physical fight but a spiritual one that requires spiritual weapons= the best being prayer and the Word of God!

There is no sin so great that the Lord can not deliver someone who asks and repents.

Just being honest from my Heart.

Blessings to you,

candi