Matthew 2

[Fewarechosen7F]

I really didn't expect anyone to have much insight about most of Matthew 1. Usually a long list of names is not much more than boaring. But there is nothing in the scriptures that does not interest me as a study.

Having worked my way past the genealogy, I hope more of you will participate in this thread. I read in another thread a suggestion that each poster post before he read. Seems like a good idea. That way we might all see that we are agreeing more than we think we are.

Also the Matthew 1 thread is open for discussion now. Thank you for your input.

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Jesus - h2424 - Jehovah is salvation

Bethlehem - h965 house of bread

Judaea - g2449 - he shall be praised

Herod - g2264 - heroic

Jerusalem - h2414 - set ye double peace

When read with the meanings applied;

MT 2:1 Now when Jehovah is salvation (Jesus) was born in house of bread (Bethlehem) of he shall be praised (Judaea) in the days of heroic (Herod) the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to set ye double peace (Jerusalem),

Applied to me;

Yeshua was born in a city. And I am born spiritually in the house of bread, the house of he shall be praised, who is Yeshua. At one time I had hought this to mean that I am spirituslly born in the house of the bread of worship, which I was taught meant going to church. But now I understand that the spiritual bread the disciples ate was Yeshua personally teaching them the things that I learn from the New Testament. That bread has been passed down from Yeshua to Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James, and all the others who have written down the experiences they had first had with Yeshua. And every bite of it is forever in the house of the savior that I praise.

My salvation in Yeshua, and therefore in God, is taking place in the days of cruel presidents and kings who like to be looked upon as heroes. And behold, look at the informatin from every possible point of view. There are even now wise men coming from the east, coming from their own rising up from sleep among organized religion. They are gathering together in order to set, permanantly establish, double peace firmly in her appointed place once again.

[tsth]

Dear Anne,

I just wanted to let you know how very much I appreciate your posts on Matthew. They are very enlightening to say the least. They do incite me to think about what you have posted, and I have even gone so far as to cut and paste a few to send to my husband at work. As far as posting, I can only say that from personal experience, (real personal experience), I find that when we are excited and engrossed in a particular study, that is not always the case with others. I myself have studied Judah and been lead to receive wonderful things there, but unless the Lord leads someone else by the Holy Spirit to the same study and understanding, they are just not going to do that particular study at the same time you are. (I know it would be nice to have someone doing the same one at the same time, but that just doesn't happen too often) I just didn't want you to be discouraged because of lack of posting to these topics, and think that no one was interested. I am VERY interested in these, but do not feel lead to go into a Bible study on them at this time, as I have other leadings that I must persue right now. But please continue your posts, as we are gleaning much from your studies when you share them and I look forward to what the Lord is showing you.

:il:

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him,

Strong's;

King - g935 - leader of the people, prince, commander, lord of the land, king

Jews - g2453 - he shall be praised

worship - 4352 - .......... in the NT by kneeling or prostration, to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication, used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank

When read with the meanings applied;

MT 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born leader of the people (King) of the he shall be praised (Jews)? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him,

How does this apply to me?

Mary's conception of Yeshua was immaculate. The Holy Spirit spoke to her that she was the virgin that he had chosen to fulfill the prophesy of Yeshua's birth. Mary believed what the Holy Spirit said to her. And in response to Mary's believing God's divine word to her, the womb of Mary's body filed up with new life.

The mental conception of the wise men about Yeshua was immaculate. Their ability to imagine or understand was undefiled by the thinking process of other men. Regardless of what religious men may say about astrologers, they could not have known that the prophesy of Yeshua's birth had been fulfilled except that the Holy Spirit had revealed that to them. And they must have at least known of that prophesy, because they came to Jerusalem to ask the priests the location prophesied.

My own mental conception of Yeshua, my ability to imagine or understand, must also be immaculate. My thinking process must be undefiled by the thinking process of any other human being. I have come mentally into a quiet and peaceful place to ask the New Testiment, "Where is he that is born leader of the people?" Because from a long way off, I have seen his enlightenment (star) rising up(east) among the people. And if I had not deliberately come in here to worship Yeshua, I would not have understood anything about him at all.

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.

Herod - g2264 - heroic

heard - 191 - to be endowed with the faculty of hearing, not deaf to hear, to attend to, consider what is or has been said, to understand, perceive the sense of what is said, to hear something, to perceive by the ear what is announced in one's presence, to get by hearing, learn, a thing comes to one's ears, to find out, learn to give ear to a teaching or a teacher, to comprehend, to understand

troubled - 5015 - to agitate, trouble (a thing, by the movement of its parts to and fro), to cause one inward commotion, take away his calmness of mind, disturb his equanimity to disquiet, make restless, to stir up, to trouble, to strike one's spirit with fear and dread, to render anxious or distressed, to perplex the mind of one by suggesting scruples or doubts

Jerusalem - h2414 - set ye double peace

When read with the meanings applied;

MT 2:3 When heroic (Herod) the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all set ye double peace (Jerusalem) with him.

How does this apply to me?

When the worldly "heros" I encountered in my personal life had perceived the sense of what I had told them about my own turning to the Lord, they were troubled. It perplex their minds, beause it suggested that I had scruples, and they had none. It showed that I had doubts as to whether I and my religious friends were always doing according to the will of God. When I was in their presence, they were agitated, and everyone was agitated with them, including me.

[Guest PDC]

My own mental conception of Yeshua, my ability to imagine or understand, must also be immaculate. My thinking process must be undefiled by the thinking process of any other human being. I have come mentally into a quiet and peaceful place to ask the New Testiment, "Where is he that is born leader of the people?" Because from a long way off, I have seen his enlightenment (star) rising up(east) among the people. And if I had not deliberately come in here to worship Yeshua, I would not have understood anything about him at all.

This is the very reason that God tells us to meditate in His Scriptures day, and night, to write them on the posts, and lintels of our doors, on the posts of our gates to talk about them in the streets, and in our houses. And why He tells us to pray always in The Spirit, to be baptized in The Spirit, and that The Spirit will lead us into all Truth. And why He tells us not to lean to our own understanding but to trust Him always in all things. And why He tells us that no Scripture is of any private interpretation as it is inspired of God. And that we are not to add to or take away anything from it. When we do these things then we will be so in love with Him that it will be natural for us to enter His gates with thanksgiving, and His courts with praise.

[The Journey]

PDC,

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- Steve

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

scribes - g1122 - a clerk, scribe, esp.a public servant, secretary, recorder, whose office and influence differed in different states in the Bible, a man learned in the Mosaic law and in the sacred writings, an interpreter, teacher. Scribes examined the more difficult and subtle questions of the law; added to the Mosaic law decisions of various kinds thought to elucidate its meaning and scope, and did this to the detriment of religion. Since the advice of men skilled in the law was needed in the examination in the causes and the solution of the difficult questions, they were enrolled in the Sanhedrin; and are mentioned in connection with the priests and elders of the people, a religious teacher: so instructed that from his learning and ability to teach advantage may redound to the kingdom of heaven

Christ - g5547 - anointed

When read with the meanings applied;

MT 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and

[COLOR=blue]men learned in the Mosaic law and in the sacred writings, interpreters, teachers [/COLOR]

(scribes) of the people together, he demanded of them where anointed anointed(Christ) should be born.

How does this apply to me?

The people who were the most troubled, when they heard that I was seeking the anointing (Christ) that is in Yeshua, were the pastor (the chief priest) of the church I attended at the time, and the board members (scribes) of his church. They gathered together to discuss me, and demanded of one another whether Christ had been born in my heart. It was decided among them that I had not found the Lord. And when I insisted on searching for the Lord outside the pastor's protocol, but according to the protocol I had begun to find in the scriptures, I was told by the pastor that I was not a member of that church anyway.

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,

Bethlehem - h965 - house of bread

Judaea - g2449 - he shall be praised

prophet - g4396 - in Greek writings, an interpreter of oracles or of other hidden things, one who, moved by the Spirit of God and hence his organ or spokesman, solemnly declares to men what he has received by inspiration, especially concerning future events, and in particular such as relate to the cause and kingdom of God and to human salvation, ..................

When read with the meanings applied;

MT 2:5 And they said unto him, in house of bread (Bethlehem) of he shall be praised (Judaea): for thus it is written by the one who, moved by the Spirit of God and hence his organ or spokesman, solemnly declares to men what he has received by inspiration (prophet),

How does this apply to me?

The priests of organized religion advise me according to the words written in this verse, the "surface" of this statement. They tell me that my new birth in Christ JESUS will take place through the bread that religion uses with which to worship God. However, personal observation of the people inside the walls of religion reveales to me that they do not have the salvation of God that they have deceived themselves they have. In fact they invite sin right on into the congregtion with them, and not only allow the sin of one to defile the whole body, but allow the sin of many to desecrate the whole congregation. If they were truly baptized unto salvation, wholly conformed to the will of God, they would never let that happen.

The prophets of the Lord, whose advice is found in the scriptures, advise me according to the meaning of the words in the verses of scripture. This kind of advice is like the pearl of great price, plowed up from underneath the rows of words in this majestic "garden of life" that we call Holy Scripture. They advise me that I will find the Kingdom of Heaven and his righteousness, if I will put my hand to the plow and not turn back. When I am plowing up advice upon advice, advice upon advice, line upon line, line upon line, here a little and there a little, not even the priests of organized religion can take from me the knowledge and understanding that the Lord gives to me through it. And this too was written by the prophets of God.

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel

Strong's;

Bethlehem - h965 - house of bread ofbreadbread

Judah - h2448 - he shall be praised

least - g1646 - ...least in size, amount, of management, in importance, in authority, of commandments, in the estimation of men, of persons, in rank, in excellence:

princes - 2232 - a leader of any kind, a guide, ruler, prefect, chief, commander, sovereign ......

come - g1831 - metaph... to be made known, declared....emitted as from the heart or the mouth...

Governor - g2233 - to rule, command, to have authority over, ...... leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers or leaders of the churches

Israel - h2474 - he shall be a prince of God

When read with the meanings applied;

MT 2:6 And thou house of bread (Bethlehem), in the land of he shall be praised (Juda), art not the least among the princes of he shall be praised (Juda): for out of thee shall come a leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers of the churches (Governor), that shall rule my people he shall be a prince of God (Israel).

How does this apply to me?

Bethlehem is not the smallest in importance of cities, because the only human being who was both naturally and spiritually begotten personally of God was born there. Judah and Israel were the descendants of brothers, and they split apart after Solomon died, having a king who inherited the throne of Israel, and appointing a king for Judah.

Yeshua the Governor, leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseer of the leaders of the churches, was both a descendant of Judah and of Israel.

If I am diligent to eat the mental house of bread that I find by meditating the scriptures in worship of God, then I, and those in my household through me, become the house of that bread. That bread IS the name of Yeshua, because everything told there leads to him. When Yeshua's influence governs me, my influence governs those in my household until they also come under his personal leadership. And when every member of the so-called body of Christ today chooses to be governed by him, they shall become the genuine princes of God.