Because of the angels?

[Guest Calamity]

I Cor. 11:

[5] But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

[6] For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

[7] For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

[8] For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

[9] Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

[10] For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Does anyone know what is meant in Verse 10? I've read that it had something to do with what some people believe happened before the flood with the Sons of God and daughters of men, but I really don't have a clue. Anyone know?

[RCruise]

Hi Calamity,

There is much fallacy about the "sons of God .... daughters of men" teaching and it really has nothing to do with this verse. Christ made it very clear in a very simple and direct wording that it is impossible for the flesh realm to be intermingled with the Spiritual of which angels (including fallen) are of. Procreation is of the flesh creatures only.

That being said, by reading all of Corinthians, we find that Paul is chastising them lovingly in many places for their divisions, doctrines that had infiltrated both from Judaism and pagan. He laid out the place of women later also in chapter 14. The biggest problem which can be easily seen in his entire letter was the dis-organization in that church. There were divisions and arguments and bickerings and their women were in the middle of the uproar.

Paul laid out the simplistic order of God's Creation of both man and woman speaking of the power over each. Now we know that we as Christians are to die to the flesh daily that the Spirit of God in Christ abounds even more in us. A woman's long hair is an attraction to the flesh and "glory" or attraction to her husband. In God's natural order of creation, He created the woman out of man to be a part of man that man would not be lonely and that life would continue to multiply so that in the fulness of time as many souls have come to this world as is set. That does not make the woman less for she is a living soul as well as the man and is as responsible for her own Salvation as the man is. What Paul means by "head" and "covered" also is that the woman has her natural leader, her husband over her whenever she is prophesying and that her physical head be covered as well so as to not detract the listener from the spiritual message to the "glory" of her hair and physical (flesh attractiveness). In verse 10 regarding the "angels". A simple trek through the Old and New testament shows us that the "angels" carry our prayers to the Lord and are the ones responsible for our "charge" and bringing God's answers or Word to us.

The "angels" who live perfectly and walk perfectly before the Lord, know the natural and Spiritual order of God. For a woman to allow her flesh to be glorified while communicating the Spiritual Word of God is a shame even to the angels. And, when a man does the same covering his head which has no glory or attraction, then the attention is drawn to his physical or "covering" and not to the Word of the Lord.

Hope that helps.

[Guest Calamity]

Thank you! Yes, that helps a lot. Especially the last part about angels carrying our prayers. I need to find and read that.

Thank you!!

[godrulz]

Interesting. I was taught that the Corinthians knew what Paul meant, but that we cannot know definitively. It is a verse that has perplexed modern interpreters. We can only speculate. It is not core truth, of course.

[Guest Calamity]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone even attempt to explain it before. Even some commentaries I've read either skipped it, or didn't have a lot to say. (Except, for the one I read about sons of God and daughters of men.)

[Guest idolsmasher]

Procreation is of the flesh creatures only

That would mean that Christ was not immaculately conceived as the Bible says.

Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

[Guest shadow2b]

  That would mean that Christ was not immaculately conceived as the Bible says.

Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

OHHHHHHH--MY FORMER----CO-FLAKE--REJECTED BY YOU--OHHHHhhhh-

OHHHHHH-WOE IS ME----WOE---WOE---WOE---

GOD-IS-NOT-AN-ANGEL---------THE-HOLY-SPIRIT-IS-NOT-AN-ANGEL-----

GOD-IS-A-SPIRIT---------

john4.vss.23-&.24-------------

But the hour cometh,and now is,when the true worshippers shall worship the FATHER in

spirit and in truth;for the FATHER seeketh such to worship HIM---------

GOD is a SPIRIT;and they that worship HIM must worship HIM in spirit and truth-------

[OneAccord]

I have to respectfully diagree with RCruise on this one. I believe this verse has everything to do with the fallen angels and their lust for the daughters of men.

In Jude 6 & 7 we see: "And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgement of the great day, as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh"

See also Genesis 6:1-4

The verse you inquire about, Calamity, has always fascinated me.

[traveller]

A simple trek through the Old and New testament shows us that the "angels" carry our prayers to the Lord and are the ones responsible for our "charge" and bringing God's answers or Word to us.

Hi RCruise! How ya been?

Okay, I'm confused now. I know that the angels did carry messages back and forth. But, from the cross forward? I thought the tearing of the veil was symbolic of our now being able to go before our Father on our own, not needing messengers.

[JesusisGod2]

Hi Rc,

One of the best commentaries I have heard on the issue of the veil.

I do have a question regarding the angels, I also believe the angels had procreated with humans "strange flesh".

Notice in Gen 19 that the angels here took on flesh, they werent in a spirit form, but human, and the men of Sodom wanted to "know" them.

I dont want to go too far off the origional question but it seems to me the bible does imply as in the verses above that they did. :c:

But again good post

In Jesus

Kevin