Predestination

[jgredline]

Well i am back. I could not leave this post like that. It just did not seem right.

Ok, the doctrine of election raises serious problems in the human mind, so we must consider more fully what the Bible does (and does not) teach on this subject.

First, it teaches that God does choose men to salvation (2 Thess. 2:13). It addresses believers as those who are

[billie]

God bless you, Javier......That's exactly what I was looking for....

[LightofJesus]

They have free will. Until they die, they could have accepted Christ. Jesus died for everyone, but not everyone accepts it. He created the man that will be the antichrist as well. so.... He created Judas too..... they are needed in the world to fulfill his plan as well.

God did not create man with a freewill so he could please himself what he did. God did create man with a brain which gave him the ability to make choices. God created man to do His will, to worship Him and give Glory to Him. God did not create the anti christ or judas. the fallen man procreated them. We are all begotten of Adam, because he made the wrong choice.

Now you are going to say it was his free will that made him make the wrong choice and I will say that if man had a free will there would have been no point giving him a brain to de able to make choices. God could have merely made man and said *go for it* you are free to do whatever you like.......but He didn't. He said you can eat of any tree except the one in the middle of the garden. He said eat of that and you will surely die. Adam was told what he could eat and what he couldn't eat, so where's the free will in that.

just my own thoughts.

The free will is, he chose to eat it and paid a heavy price for it. The labor of his life turned hard and the pain of child birth also was introduced, then murder in their own family. All choices they made led to the fall of man. We still make our own choices but we now live under grace and our free will, if we allow, come under conviction of the Holy Spirit!! Praise God forever He gave us a way out!! He also gave us a way to escape from our wrong choices!! He is just and ALL knowing from the beginning to the end. He also knew you before there was an earth He had a plan just for you and for me!! We are a favored bunch and we should rejoice daily for the Love He has for us!! Amen?

[Floatingaxe]

They have free will. Until they die, they could have accepted Christ. Jesus died for everyone, but not everyone accepts it. He created the man that will be the antichrist as well. so.... He created Judas too..... they are needed in the world to fulfill his plan as well.

God did not create man with a freewill so he could please himself what he did. God did create man with a brain which gave him the ability to make choices. God created man to do His will, to worship Him and give Glory to Him. God did not create the anti christ or judas. the fallen man procreated them. We are all begotten of Adam, because he made the wrong choice.

Now you are going to say it was his free will that made him make the wrong choice and I will say that if man had a free will there would have been no point giving him a brain to de able to make choices. God could have merely made man and said *go for it* you are free to do whatever you like.......but He didn't. He said you can eat of any tree except the one in the middle of the garden. He said eat of that and you will surely die. Adam was told what he could eat and what he couldn't eat, so where's the free will in that.

just my own thoughts.

The free will is, he chose to eat it and paid a heavy price for it. The labor of his life turned hard and the pain of child birth also was introduced, then murder in their own family. All choices they made led to the fall of man. We still make our own choices but we now live under grace and our free will, if we allow, come under conviction of the Holy Spirit!! Praise God forever He gave us a way out!! He also gave us a way to escape from our wrong choices!! He is just and ALL knowing from the beginning to the end. He also knew you before there was an earth He had a plan just for you and for me!! We are a favored bunch and we should rejoice daily for the Love He has for us!! Amen?

Amen!