Good information on 'Born Gay' Studies

[Floatingaxe]

secondeve...

As Christians, they could still be ignorant of their sin, having an immature faith. They may be only nominal Christians, having only a mental assent to Jesus Christ. When we have a heart-knowledge of Jesus Christ, we know when we are behaving sinfully. Some sins are addictive, and I believe homosexuality is an addictive sin, and people who fall into it need lots of love and help and accountability to gain freedom from it and maintainance to stay that way.

Countless Christians throughout time have had to battle besetting sins, and homosexuality is not any different. Once a Christian is aware that they are sinning, they have a responsibility to repent and find their freedom from it. If they don't, they risk their place in heaven, having fallen away from their first love, Jesus.

[georgesbluegirl]

I don't think so.. I didn't come up with it; It's the tagline for Chasing Amy, Kevin Smith's third movie (1997). It's a really good movie, you should see it. Well, I thought it was good. It is a Kevin Smith movie, so it's got lots of profanity.

Of course, if all you did was write it.. and not print/sell it, you should be fine wink.gif

I love Kevin Smith.. he's awesome.

I am turning red. Oops. I do too...the original Clerks is a big fave of mine. I'm a little embarrassed that I didn't recognize it (and that I've never seen "Chasing Amy"), even though I knew I'd seen it before.

Secondeve:

[secondeve]

secondeve...

As Christians, they could still be ignorant of their sin, having an immature faith. They may be only nominal Christians, having only a mental assent to Jesus Christ. When we have a heart-knowledge of Jesus Christ, we know when we are behaving sinfully. Some sins are addictive, and I believe homosexuality is an addictive sin, and people who fall into it need lots of love and help and accountability to gain freedom from it and maintainance to stay that way.

Countless Christians throughout time have had to battle besetting sins, and homosexuality is not any different. Once a Christian is aware that they are sinning, they have a responsibility to repent and find their freedom from it. If they don't, they risk their place in heaven, having fallen away from their first love, Jesus.

Floatingaxe, it's very clear to me that I can't change your mind. I would like to say, however, that apart from the Biblical injunction that homosexuality is a sin, all your reasoning is based on your personal beliefs, not what might be actual nor what the Bible states to be the root cause of someone being gay. Leviticus says the act is a sin; it does not say from where, internally in our brains, or exeternally, the desire comes from. The Bible leaves room for your theories, but it does not endorse them. So I would ask that you keep an open mind on this issue: at the end of the day, the fact that this is the pet thory you believe to best explain the Biblical injunction does not make it true.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,m

Eve,

I beg to differ with your assesment. knowing not the Scriptures you err. The Word of God fully supports itself. What Sister Axe is telling you is supported by Scripture. She is no longer led by personal preference but the Spirit of God. He leads us into a knowledge of Christ which surpasseth all understanding.

Here is Scripture which supporst the notion that when a man or woman, for that matter, chooses to commit the sin of Homosexuality. That they do so from the lust of their own wicked heart. The heart and mind are enticed by evil with a temptation. This temptation brings forth a lust which fully conceived. Brings forth sin. God is not to blame at all neither did He make man that way. It is the individuals choice.

Jas

[Guest LadyC]

I am of the mind that once a person "gives over" into that perverse mindset of homosexuality, then there is a "giving over" into the demonic. When that happens, certain changes can certainly occur in the brain, and can be detected chemically or otherwise, but it is all the result of satanic control and tampering.

This all the tests in the world may show a difference in the brain, but it occurs AFTER the release of one's control to the evil, not before.

This is so incorrect. Are you a doctor, a researcher, a scholar? Obviously not because this is so flawed. Not all homosexuals are perverts. I could name quite a few straight people who do perverted things to their wives and daughters.

How ignorant. Making up stuff you have no idea of.

are you really a lawyer? i'm not trying to be antagonistic, anymore than you were probably trying to be when asking your questions of axe. but i do wonder, since lawyers generally are extremely well educated in the english language, and yet you don't seem to have a basic understanding of the definition of "perverse", which means directed away from what is good, and/or obstinately persisting in wrongful behaviour.

are you familiar at all with demonic oppression and posession?

[Guest LadyC]

by the way, i have to question why anyone who is gay continues to willingly live a lifestyle that is contrary to what God wants for them if they truly love Him?

i do believe a person can love the Lord and have a sexual addiction (or substance addiction, or any other kind of addiction) that they have not been delivered from. but i personally have serious doubts that anyone who truly loves God would try to justify their lifestyle and act as if they're immune from the consequences that God makes clear. scripture doesn't mince meat when it comes to this. God says you can't have two masters... you either love one and hate the other or hate the one and love the other. so if a person is willingly choosing to embrace homosexuality (or adultry, or fornication, or whatever) then they are NOT serving or loving God.

that's not MY opinion, that's God's.

[Floatingaxe]

secondeve...

As Christians, they could still be ignorant of their sin, having an immature faith. They may be only nominal Christians, having only a mental assent to Jesus Christ. When we have a heart-knowledge of Jesus Christ, we know when we are behaving sinfully. Some sins are addictive, and I believe homosexuality is an addictive sin, and people who fall into it need lots of love and help and accountability to gain freedom from it and maintainance to stay that way.

Countless Christians throughout time have had to battle besetting sins, and homosexuality is not any different. Once a Christian is aware that they are sinning, they have a responsibility to repent and find their freedom from it. If they don't, they risk their place in heaven, having fallen away from their first love, Jesus.

Floatingaxe, it's very clear to me that I can't change your mind. I would like to say, however, that apart from the Biblical injunction that homosexuality is a sin, all your reasoning is based on your personal beliefs, not what might be actual nor what the Bible states to be the root cause of someone being gay. Leviticus says the act is a sin; it does not say from where, internally in our brains, or exeternally, the desire comes from. The Bible leaves room for your theories, but it does not endorse them. So I would ask that you keep an open mind on this issue: at the end of the day, the fact that this is the pet thory you believe to best explain the Biblical injunction does not make it true.

Open mind to what, pray tell?

[secondeve]

Open mind to what, pray tell?

The possibility that your theories about the reasons for homosexual impulses are wrong.

[secondeve]

Open mind to what, pray tell?

The possibility that your theories about the reasons for homosexual impulses are wrong.

Sorry eve, but most Christians have no facts beneath their statements. Only verses they THINK, they INTERPRET, as meaning what they want to say. No foundation, no understanding.

Exactly. So, as what they say is based on interpretation, their thoughts are not infallable. Correct?

[Floatingaxe]

I am of the mind that once a person "gives over" into that perverse mindset of homosexuality, then there is a "giving over" into the demonic. When that happens, certain changes can certainly occur in the brain, and can be detected chemically or otherwise, but it is all the result of satanic control and tampering.

This all the tests in the world may show a difference in the brain, but it occurs AFTER the release of one's control to the evil, not before.

This is so incorrect. Are you a doctor, a researcher, a scholar? Obviously not because this is so flawed. Not all homosexuals are perverts. I could name quite a few straight people who do perverted things to their wives and daughters.

How ignorant. Making up stuff you have no idea of.

I am a child of the King and that is my claim to knowing these things, Lawyer. Of course it is perversion! All homosexuals are indeed perverts! That is a strong charge, but the truth is the truth. If, indeed you can name such people--why don't you name them to the police?

How do you figure I am fabricating? How do you figure I know not of which I speak? Be careful in your assumptions, sir. We are supposed to be brethren.