Good information on 'Born Gay' Studies

[Floatingaxe]

KansasDad:

When is a marriage a marriage? When does God consider someone married?

1) Is it when the minister/priest/pastor says: I now declare you.....

2) is it when you sign the register?

3) is it when you sleep with the person you love?

Does the Bible actually give a clear instruction as to when in the eyes of God someone is married?

Isaac had 2 wives: Rachel and Leah

Abraham had Sarah, but slept with Hagar, so when were they married?

So I picked up my Bible and looked up all the passages that have anything to do with marriage (I had help: I used a concordance). I examined the scriptural use of all the words I could think of related to marriage: marriage, marriages, marry, marries, married, wedding, weddings, wed, husband, husbands, wife, and wives.

All told I looked up over 800 references. Exempting the references, which are narrative (e.g. "Adam named his wife Eve" Gen 3:20) or metaphorical (Christ's marriage to the church, Rev 21:9), I was able to distil those 825 verse references into 12 general principles: 12 Biblical "rules" or guidelines regarding marriage, which encompass the gamut of scripture. I hereby present the list, with the applicable references.

12 Biblical Principles of Marriage

1. Marriage consists of one man and one or more women. (Gen 4:19, 4:23, 26:34, 28:9, 29:26-30, 30:26, 31:17, 32:22, 36:2, 36:10, 37:2, Ex. 21:10, Judges 8:30, 1 Sam 1:2, 25:43, 27:3, 30:5, 30:18, 2 Sam 2:2, 3:2-5, 1 Chron 3:1-3, 4:5, 8:8, 14:3, 2 Chron 11:21, 13:21, 24:3).

2. Nothing prevents a man from taking on concubines in addition to the wife or wives he may already have. (Gen 25:6, Judges 8:31, 2 Sam 5:13, 1 Kings 11:3, 1 Chron 3:9, 2 Chron 11:21, Dan 5:2-3).

3. A man might chose any woman he wants for his wife (Gen 6:2, Deut 21:11), provided only that she is not already another man's wife (Lev 18:14-16, Deut. 22:30) or his [half-] sister (Lev 18:11, 20:17), nor the mother (Lev 20:14) or the sister (Lev 18:18) of a woman who is already his wife. The concept of a woman giving her consent to being married is foreign to the Biblical mindset.

4. If a woman cannot be proven to be a virgin at the time of marriage, she shall be stoned. (Deut 22:13-21).

5. A rapist must marry his victim (Ex. 22:16, Deut. 22:28-29) - unless she was already a fianc

[CaritateDei]

really. God revealed all this to you in scripture? sorry, i ain't buying it. you are actively (and apparently proudly) involved in a physical relationship with another man, which violates many of God's commands to us regarding sexual behaviour, aside from the homosexuality, and you claim to believe that you are keeping GOD at the center of your life? i ain't buying that either.

if you truly believe that God is ok with this, you're sadly deceived. i have no doubt that God has a plan for you, but brother, THIS AIN'T IT.

GOOD JOB! You just convinced him! That's the kind of language that truly saves and converts people!

lying to him and saying that God has no problem with what he is doing is not going to save or convert him either, carit. he's read this thread. he knows the truth and has rejected it.

I was congratulating you! Why the hostility?

[Press Forward]

Matthew 19 NIV

3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"

4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

7"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"

8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

10The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[c]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

I just don't see how Jesus can be any more clear on marriage than this. Jesus explains what pleases Almighty God, He explains y moses permitted divorce.

2 Peter 2 NIV

4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men 8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)

[Floatingaxe]

lenv,

To the very least, God can only ask from us to be a good person.

To Axe and others,

We all sin across the board. Therefore, as we look onto our neighbor's roof to shout at the snow upon it, we also need to look at our OWN doorstep to mind how filthy that is. Grant God to judge how a person can enter his kingdom and you to try to understand of other people's hell. Be fortunate you don't share it.

Why single me out? Am I that popular?

God never asks us to be good persons! He asks us to be obedient to Him! Homos are disobedient and their gods are their groins.

[Floatingaxe]

God never asks us to be good persons! He asks us to be obedient to Him! Homos are disobedient and their gods are their groins.

You just proved my point that what Jesus said or teaches isn't the word of God.

How could you know that? You don't know Jesus. You have no valid point on the matter. Jesus IS the Word of God!

[Kansasdad]

God never asks us to be good persons! He asks us to be obedient to Him! Homos are disobedient and their gods are their groins.

You just proved my point that what Jesus said or teaches isn't the word of God.

WHAT, JESUS is the word of God!

[Oh Hamburgers!]

God never asks us to be good persons! He asks us to be obedient to Him! Homos are disobedient and their gods are their groins.

Ouch...

We all sin. A homo's god is God, same with a murderers God, same with a theif's God, same with a liar's God.

[Floatingaxe]

God never asks us to be good persons! He asks us to be obedient to Him! Homos are disobedient and their gods are their groins.

Ouch...

We all sin. A homo's god is God, same with a murderers God, same with a theif's God, same with a liar's God.

God is God, but He isn't anybody's God unless you accept His Son, Jesus. Otherwise, you don't have Him.

It's a narrow road to Heaven, but it is a wide path to destruction. Which road are you on? Some poor souls will find themselves herded off their chosen broad highway into oblivion, very surprised.

[Oh Hamburgers!]

God never asks us to be good persons! He asks us to be obedient to Him! Homos are disobedient and their gods are their groins.

Ouch...

We all sin. A homo's god is God, same with a murderers God, same with a theif's God, same with a liar's God.

God is God, but He isn't anybody's God unless you accept His Son, Jesus. Otherwise, you don't have Him.

It's a narrow road to Heaven, but it is a wide path to destruction. Which road are you on? Some poor souls will find themselves herded off their chosen broad highway into oblivion, very surprised.

It's just that you are taking homosexuals, and setting them aside from normal sinners. Everyone sins. Everyone is disobedient at some point when they sin. Christians sin, but they are still Christians. Christians make exceptions for their weaknesses even when they shouldn't. I don't see homosexuals to be any different.

[Guest laforchrist]

I kinda agree with both of you, I have had a few gay friends in my life and even though I loved them and treated them like I would anyone else they still knew how I felt about homosexuallity. And it is true we are all sinners saved by grace, all sin seperates us from God. We all need to ask on a daily bases for forgivness. But I know that grace doesn't give us the freedom to indulge in our fleashly desires.