Good information on 'Born Gay' Studies

[Floatingaxe]

In closing, I want to share an article I once read that was unrelated to homosexuality. It said experiments have shown that a vast number of different, apparently unrelated organisms have processes that give their offspring new traits. Some of these traits make it easier for those offspring to survive and reproduce. Some of them make it harder. Like homosexuality.

Therefore, I believe homosexuals are born with it. It's the complexed micro world of building an organism, that even in that process, it is prone to mistakes. Maybe you need to blame your nearest gene. Not the product it produced.

I know it's hard to see it since it is easier to blame a person whom should be just like you. But maybe show some compassion within yourself that other people suffering have it worse than you. And avoid adding insult to injury by reminding them that YOUR clique agrees that it is fair to send them to Hell.

MALARKEY.

[Floatingaxe]

In that same breath, we see some choices from some people are harder to make than other people. While you and I enjoy ourselves without that urge, some are to the point they will suffer through out their life time.

Makes it easier to say they are going to Hell, now don't it? Not your fault. The conditions for you to go to heaven was to accept the law that said gays are wrong. This from not God but from a person who said it came from god.

What? Is there a short-term memory deficiency here? Do you live in a bubble? We have told you God says it is a sin. He expects us to refrain. Obey God. It's not hard when you have been recreated by His Son, Jesus. For those who find it difficult, there is deliverance available.

[Guest LadyC]

In that same breath, we see some choices from some people are harder to make than other people. While you and I enjoy ourselves without that urge, some are to the point they will suffer through out their life time.

Makes it easier to say they are going to Hell, now don't it? Not your fault. The conditions for you to go to heaven was to accept the law that said gays are wrong. This from not God but from a person who said it came from god.

i'll say what axe said. MALARKEY. we ALL have things we struggle with. sexual sin is the single most tempting problem ANY of us face, regardless of what form that sin takes. whether it is homosexual activitiy, heterosexual promiscuity, adultry, lust, porn (more lust), incest, beastiality, pedophilia, you name it, if the person struggling with it is UNREPENTANT they will not see the kingdom of heaven.

homosexuals are at no more or no less of a risk than heterosexuals in that regard, and have it no better nor worse than we do.

quit trying to justify sexual sin. you're the one being discriminatory by implying that THAT form of sexual sin should be given special status.

[Guest LadyC]

oh, i'm not letting you off that easy justaguy. YOU were the one making us out to be a clique that thinks we are better than gays, and YOU are the one saying that gays have it harder than we do, and YOU are the one trying to give homosexual behaviour a special "protected" status.

like it or not, the behaviour is what is sinful, and is no more difficult than any sexually sinful behaviour that heterosexuals struggle with. we aren't saying "you're going to hell nya nya", we're saying that God says that sexual sin will lead you there, regardless of your "orientation", because all actions are by choice.

we've examined the plank in our own eyes.

[Guest LadyC]

i'm going to bed now. hopefully when i get online tomorrow i won't have to weed through thirty more pages before i point out the error of your next response. or maybe someone else will do it for me while i'm snoozing.

[Floatingaxe]

Our argument is with homosexuality. Everything else you mention will be saved for future arguments. I am pretty dog gone sure I am quite comfortable on my position toward this subject. That is why I am hanging around. Now if you want to start a sinning thread on, lets say lust, I'd gladly join you there.

Trust me on this, you two wouldn't know what malarkey is even if you step on it.

Well, I'm Irish.

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Our argument is with homosexuality. Everything else you mention will be saved for future arguments. I am pretty dog gone sure I am quite comfortable on my position toward this subject. That is why I am hanging around. Now if you want to start a sinning thread on, lets say lust, I'd gladly join you there.

Trust me on this, you two wouldn't know what malarkey is even if you step on it.

Well, I'm Irish.

I knew it!

you're right 2ndeve, there IS a lot of ignorance about homosexuality... mostly among those who support it. there's a lot of hype in its defense that is unproven scientifically but yet people like to spout off all this scientific evidence which the scientific community rejects as being statistically insignificant at best.

but mostly the ignorance about homosexuality is as it pertains to humanity and God.

and it's ok though that you see nothing wrong with it. what matters is that God sees something terribly wrong with it, and he's the one who will judge their eternal souls.

Leviticus 20:13

13)If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,

both of them have committed an abomination:

they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Yeah, I'd say God has a big problem with homosexuality.

[Guest LadyC]

so..... you're trying to say that God's ok with homosexual acts as long as it's not done in a woman's bed? that is the most STUPID thing i've ever heard.

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so..... you're trying to say that God's ok with homosexual acts as long as it's not done in a woman's bed? that is the most STUPID thing i've ever heard.

Wisdom and understanding comes from God. People who want very badly to stay in their sin will undoubtedly believe a lie.

I believe that this passage does not refer to all homosexual behavior, but only to a specific form of homosexual prostitution - that performed in a Pagan temple.

The National Gay Pentecostal Alliance (NGPA) states that a word-for-word translation of this verse from the original Hebrew is:

"And a man who will lie down with a male in beds of a woman, both of them have made an abomination; dying they will die. Their blood is on them."

In modern English this could be translated as:

"If two men engage in homosexual sex while on a woman's bed, both have committed an abomination. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

This does not generally forbid homosexual behavior between two men. It only limits where the act can be done.

Just because someone perverted and mistranslated that Bible verse to suite their homosexual ways, doesn't make true.

Lev.20:13

13)If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,

both of them have committed an abomination:

they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

That translation is the KJV1611, you don't get more accurate than that.

The truth is given here, take it or leave it but disobeying it is on your own head.

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Wisdom and understanding comes from God. People who want very badly to stay in their sin will undoubtedly believe a lie.

If I may respond. Wisdom and understanding comes from time. Don't you think religion has a double edge sword? People who want very badly to go to heaven will undoubtedly believe in a lie?

See, that's your way of thinking. I know you're wrong. You say that Jesus is a lie, why hide that in your wording now?

What are you afraid of?

Afraid it's you who are wrong so you need so badly to convince someone else, justifying your lack of faith and possibly help you sleep tonight in the process. It's very clear that you continually try to flood your targeted threads, repeating information that goes completely against scripture again and again, even after you've been corrected on the same issues with scriptural proof, why? Who are you trying to convince, really?

Have you made it a mission to convert new believers to atheism because you clearly have no intention of accepting the truth,

which has been offered to you abundantly here.