Good information on 'Born Gay' Studies

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See, that's your way of thinking. I know you're wrong. You say that Jesus is a lie, why hide that in your wording now?

What are you afraid of?

Afraid it's you who are wrong so you need so badly to convince someone else, justifying your lack of faith and possibly help you sleep tonight in the process. It's very clear that you continually try to flood your targeted threads, repeating information that goes completely against scripture again and again, even after you've been corrected on the same issues with scriptural proof, why? Who are you trying to convince, really?

Have you made it a mission to convert new believers to atheism because you clearly have no intention of accepting the truth,

which has been offered to you abundantly here.

Jesus isn't a lie. Jesus just isn't God. There is only one God. The Father. I believe Jesus referred Him as Father. And as his son. And we are all His sons and daughters.

And I am following scriptures. Isn't the Ten Commandments scriptures? I am following it to the letter. That is what I am defending. Genesis is the story of God and his creation. Everything is in question after that. For man lies. And to lie is to achieve power. This is from Wisdom and Understanding that came from time.

I have nothing to gain to change a christain into something else.

Why are you following only the ten commandments if this is your only means or hope to get into Heaven? That's what you're saying, right? If you thought it was hopeless to try to get into Heaven, you wouldn't be "following the scriptures", right? But if that's the case, you'd have to follow all of the commandments God gave and not just the top ten. Good luck.

I'm going to accept God's sacrifice of His own self on the cross, rather than all of the sheep you'll be needing doing it your way.

[Guest]

If I may respond. Wisdom and understanding comes from time.

If you are counting on time to give you wisdom and understanding you'll never get them!

If you are counting on your mind and heart to give you wisdom and understanding you'll never get them!

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Romans 1:28

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Jeremiah 17:9

If you think Christianity is about religion, you have failed to read the scriptures.

Check this out!

Wisdom and understanding comes from The Spirit of God.

The Holy Ghost is a person!

And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Exodus 31:3

For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

Colossians 1:9

New Birth

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John 3:7

By Faith

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

john 3:16

Love, Joe

[jewelz123]

The fact of the matter is, people from the stone ages didn't understand why homosexuals did what they did. They thought it was choice from a strait person. Now we are discovering likely it isn't. Therefore, we are starting to discount ancient laws.

Where do you get this stuff? Whom are you quoting from the "stone ages"? I wasn't aware they were able to write and publish in the era that created fire. How do you know what they thought? Who is discovering? And who are "we" that are discounting ancient laws?

This is all baseless blathering.....

[jewelz123]

See, that's your way of thinking. I know you're wrong. You say that Jesus is a lie, why hide that in your wording now?

What are you afraid of?

Afraid it's you who are wrong so you need so badly to convince someone else, justifying your lack of faith and possibly help you sleep tonight in the process. It's very clear that you continually try to flood your targeted threads, repeating information that goes completely against scripture again and again, even after you've been corrected on the same issues with scriptural proof, why? Who are you trying to convince, really?

Have you made it a mission to convert new believers to atheism because you clearly have no intention of accepting the truth,

which has been offered to you abundantly here.

Jesus isn't a lie. Jesus just isn't God. There is only one God. The Father. I believe Jesus referred Him as Father. And as his son. And we are all His sons and daughters.

And I am following scriptures. Isn't the Ten Commandments scriptures? I am following it to the letter. That is what I am defending. Genesis is the story of God and his creation. Everything is in question after that. For man lies. And to lie is to achieve power. This is from Wisdom and Understanding that came from time.

I have nothing to gain to change a christain into something else.

IF you are reading Genesis then you know the stories of destruction that were leveled against Sodom and Gomorah and the story of Lot. So IF you believe in God, perhaps you might try believing HIM. Since you do believe that He created everything - you must admit He is probably smarter than you. Isaiah 55:9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

But, since you don't believe that homosexuals make any choices (based on nothing but your opinion - no evidence exists) why would you even believe in the God of Genesis who doesn't agree? Your own words contradict yourself. Why would you believe in the God of Genesis who murders homosexual victims as you describe them?

You also state "For man lies and to lie is to achieve power" - that sounds like you are trying be profound. Lucifer tells his lies to man and he believes it. You have. How is it that you are so blind? A "truth" that contradicts Genesis which you say you believe? A "truth" that is based on feelings/opinions and nothing more. You have become a pawn for the the liar who seeks to separate you from God forever. He's done a pretty good job - except that you return to this forum day after day.

This reminds me of what was said to me when I wasn't a believer - People can talk about God all day without a problem - but mention Jesus and they get pissed. Spend a little time wondering why you think Jesus isn't who he says he is - if not what HE says (the way, the truth the life) why then is he what YOU say (not God)? Why do you know better? Based on what? Pride, feelings, lies, puffed up arrogance - "This is from Wisdom and Understanding that came from time."

Genesis 26 "Then God said, "Let us make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air.." You say you believe Genesis and He is clearly saying that He exists as more than one entity.

Proverbs 3:5

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding

Job 8:15

He leans on his web, but it gives way; he clings to it, but it does not hold.

1Corinthians 1

20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him,....25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength....1 Cor 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.... 1Cor 3:18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"[a]; 20and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

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What is the most prevalent message in the Bible? 10 Commandments. Why is that? Why do people around the world understand the 10 more than citing everything Jesus said, additional Moses laws said, or what Paul said or whatever?

Because this is GOD's message.

Follow the 10. Notice it lacks all the other stuff we as humans added. Take good notice of the 1st commandment.

That didn't even make sense. You're really stretching, jag. A human, Moses, wrote down what God said, that's how we got the ten in the first place, how are they any different than the other commandments God told that same person to write down?

And yes, going against God's word isn't wise. My question is, which is which? I'll just start with the 10. Maybe I'll be stuck there or perhaps advance to burnt offerings. who knows

Here's a good read on being born again, not that you'll read it.

outtake:

Jesus could very easily have explained to Nicodermus, a ruler of the Jews, that night when he came and asked Jesus specifically about being born the second time - see John 3:1-4. But Jesus knew before he came to us as the Son of God/Son of man, there was a plan that had to be fulfilled, because with the Old Testament, there was no way into the kingdom of heaven. The Son of God came in the flesh, to live among the people to experience first hand what it would be like to be tempted of the devil, and how difficult it was to resist the devil's schemes.

Jesus likewise knew before he came, that he was going to be sacrified, or offered as a "sweet savour," or given for a ransom for the sins of the people, so that we would have a way into the kingdom of heaven. And Jesus knew that if he explained everything to Nicodemus that he probably would not have been crucified.

[Floatingaxe]

See, that's your way of thinking. I know you're wrong. You say that Jesus is a lie, why hide that in your wording now?

What are you afraid of?

Afraid it's you who are wrong so you need so badly to convince someone else, justifying your lack of faith and possibly help you sleep tonight in the process. It's very clear that you continually try to flood your targeted threads, repeating information that goes completely against scripture again and again, even after you've been corrected on the same issues with scriptural proof, why? Who are you trying to convince, really?

Have you made it a mission to convert new believers to atheism because you clearly have no intention of accepting the truth,

which has been offered to you abundantly here.

Jesus isn't a lie. Jesus just isn't God. There is only one God. The Father. I believe Jesus referred Him as Father. And as his son. And we are all His sons and daughters.

And I am following scriptures. Isn't the Ten Commandments scriptures? I am following it to the letter. That is what I am defending. Genesis is the story of God and his creation. Everything is in question after that. For man lies. And to lie is to achieve power. This is from Wisdom and Understanding that came from time.

I have nothing to gain to change a christain into something else.

We aren't ALL His sons and daughters!

The Ten Commandments do not save you. They only serve to point out your sin and how hopelessly lost we are without a Redeemer.

Wisdomeand understanding of certain things comes from time and experience. But true wisdom and true understanding comes from the power of the Holy Spirit working in a life. Through Jesus Christ--the Redeemer that God has given us. The Old Testament points to Jesus in everything. You miss a lot when you have a closed mind to God and how he works.

I suppose you need to live a bit longer for that...

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Jesus could very easily have ...

Could of, would of, should of, but he didn't and really did look like a man. Only to convinced people who can be convinced. Not others.

Way to wordplay around the truth.

Jesus never stood around and begged people to believe Him, He said that if you didn't drop everything and follow Him then you are not worthy of Him.

[Floatingaxe]

See, that's your way of thinking. I know you're wrong. You say that Jesus is a lie, why hide that in your wording now?

What are you afraid of?

Afraid it's you who are wrong so you need so badly to convince someone else, justifying your lack of faith and possibly help you sleep tonight in the process. It's very clear that you continually try to flood your targeted threads, repeating information that goes completely against scripture again and again, even after you've been corrected on the same issues with scriptural proof, why? Who are you trying to convince, really?

Have you made it a mission to convert new believers to atheism because you clearly have no intention of accepting the truth,

which has been offered to you abundantly here.

Jesus isn't a lie. Jesus just isn't God. There is only one God. The Father. I believe Jesus referred Him as Father. And as his son. And we are all His sons and daughters.

And I am following scriptures. Isn't the Ten Commandments scriptures? I am following it to the letter. That is what I am defending. Genesis is the story of God and his creation. Everything is in question after that. For man lies. And to lie is to achieve power. This is from Wisdom and Understanding that came from time.

I have nothing to gain to change a christain into something else.

We aren't ALL His sons and daughters!

The Ten Commandments do not save you. They only serve to point out your sin and how hopelessly lost we are without a Redeemer.

Wisdomeand understanding of certain things comes from time and experience. But true wisdom and true understanding comes from the power of the Holy Spirit working in a life. Through Jesus Christ--the Redeemer that God has given us. The Old Testament points to Jesus in everything. You miss a lot when you have a closed mind to God and how he works.

I suppose you need to live a bit longer for that...

If you believe God made us all, then it's simple to state we are His children. Sons and Daughters a like. yup, that makes me your brother. Be fortunate I am not around to throw a frog on you just to hear you screech!

Actually, no--only those who come to Him to be adopted into His Forever Family through Jeus christ can be counted as His children. Those who disbelieve in Jesus Christ as Messiah are strangers and will not have a home with Him.

[jewelz123]

All I know is this: I have a gay friend who is a born again Christian. He lives his life through Christ, and yet he is still gay. Accepting Jesus didn't change who he was.

How do you answer that?

Did it change how he behaves?

Edited May 16, 2007 by jewelz123

[Guest LadyC]

easily. if he is still living his life as a gay man, he has not submitted his life, is not living his life through Christ. period.