Getting rid of my secular music...

[FailedChristian]

Just wondering if you're going to respond to what I had to say concerning the art debate.

I said it in my posts. I do not believe in censorship because once I unleash the hounds against THAT stuff, it won't be long before someone can unleash the hounds at my stuff.....

Again, who are YOU to judge what the intent of art is?

Also, your "studies" that prove that art that depicts sinful acts results in an increase in those acts by consumers of that art is sheer crap. Those studies have been flwaed to a point of laughability...spurious garbage. Under that assessment, I should have quite an appetite for war and killing given the text of the Old Testament...or a penchant for crucifying people with the content of the new Testament.

Burn your "evil" art, burn your "evil" books, torch the "evil" CD's and "evil" records..DESTROY IT ALL. Then look at what you've really done... You have done more evil than those articles may have ever done.

To destroy something because of its POTENTIAL is ignorant to the nth degree.

I have to thank the participants in this thread for moving me closer to leaving the faith altogether. Fascists.

Leaving the FAITH? If you empower others in such a way, maybe you have yet to experience God in a dynamic and real way? NOTHING will separate me from the LOVE of God... NOTHING! Not one person here or anywhere went to a sinner's Cross to pay for my sin; but Jesus Christ did and He did when I was still His enemy.

Now to speak to your comment.

Yes, actually there is Biblical presedence for destroying by fire those things that lead to destruction. Read the Book of Acts about how Peter then Paul spread the Good News throughout hostile lands. When Paul was in Ephesus, "God did extraordinary miracles through Paul." [Acts 19:11]. Many Jews and Greeks who practiced sorcery "brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas." [Acts 19:19] In today's dollars, that comes to about $5 million!!!! They burned them because they were junk!

Based on your words, you would have called it ART and held onto your scroll. It isn't art; it is junk. They knew it; they burned it.

Yes, you can argue that it can be a hard line to draw since we all seem to draw it differently. Some think rock music is evil; I don't. I judge my music not on the genre or the beat but by the message. Regardless, a line must be drawn between evil and good and the ONLY one who can is God as revealed in His Word. Evil is evil and has no place in a Christian's heart.

May the Lord Bless you richly,

Wayne

"a line must be drawn..." ...perfect. You say that God is the One to do that. How? Through you? I guess you will be the one to do that for us? Or is it a Youth Pastor who "hears" from God? Or the Pope? Or your specific translation of the Bible? Or maybe the Wizard of Oz? Or John Hagee? Or Benny Hinn? Or George Bush? WHO?

Who in the world do you think you are? Do you think you can discern and disperse theMind of God to others? If not, then I recommend you leave the judging to God and stop advocating destruction.

Edited August 9, 2006 by FailedChristian

[WayneB]

The Cd company retains all rights to the physical CD.

Not true. The "physical CD" is property and all rights of ownership of the "physical CD" are assumed by the one who bought it. The actual music is "intellectual" property; that is what is retained by the musician and/or record label. I cannot do as I please with the "intellectual" property BUT I can do as I please with the "physical CD". I can skip it onto a lake, use it for decoration or burn it. By destroying a "physical CD", how do I affect the "intellectual" property on that CD? I do not nor can I affect it. I must say, though, it sure would be nice.

[FailedChristian]

The Cd company retains all rights to the physical CD.

Not true. The "physical CD" is property and all rights of ownership of the "physical CD" are assumed by the one who bought it. The actual music is "intellectual" property; that is what is retained by the musician and/or record label. I cannot do as I please with the "intellectual" property BUT I can do as I please with the "physical CD". I can skip it onto a lake, use it for decoration or burn it. By destroying a "physical CD", how do I affect the "intellectual" property on that CD? I do not nor can I affect it. I must say, though, it sure would be nice.

I think you best doublecheck that...if you destroy the CD, then you have compromised the intellectual property of the CD.

Nvertheless, I don't expect that we will see police come storming into the guy's home arresting him as they did in "Brazil" for hiring renegade Duct Repairmen.

[WayneB]

"a line must be drawn..." ...perfect. You say that God is the One to do that. How? Through you? I guess you will be the one to do that for us? Or is it a Youth Pastor who "hears" from God? Or the Pope? Or your specific translation of the Bible? Or maybe the Wizard of Oz? Or John Hagee? Or Benny Hinn? Or George Bush? WHO?

Who in the world do you think you are? Do you think you can discern and disperse theMind of God to others? If not, then I recommend you leave the judging to God and stop advocating destruction.

I am nobody but I sure can tell the difference between good and evil. Problem comes when folks are unwilling to let go of those things that satisfy their fleshly lusts rather than embrace God's goodness.

What do you think drove those who had practiced sorcery in Acts 19 to destoy those scrolls that they once held in high regard but came to see the evil in it? Were they wrong? Here they were...repenting of their old ways and turning to a new life in Christ. Simply spoken...the old ways had no place in their new life.

[FailedChristian]

"a line must be drawn..." ...perfect. You say that God is the One to do that. How? Through you? I guess you will be the one to do that for us? Or is it a Youth Pastor who "hears" from God? Or the Pope? Or your specific translation of the Bible? Or maybe the Wizard of Oz? Or John Hagee? Or Benny Hinn? Or George Bush? WHO?

Who in the world do you think you are? Do you think you can discern and disperse theMind of God to others? If not, then I recommend you leave the judging to God and stop advocating destruction.

I am nobody but I sure can tell the difference between good and evil. Problem comes when folks are unwilling to let go of those things that satisfy their fleshly lusts rather than embrace God's goodness.

What do you think drove those who had practiced sorcery in Acts 19 to destoy those scrolls that they once held in high regard but came to see the evil in it? Were they wrong? Here they were...repenting of their old ways and turning to a new life in Christ. Simply spoken...the old ways had no place in their new life.

Good for you!

Well, go ahead and destroy, I'm sure your fellow fascists will support you.

[WayneB]

The Cd company retains all rights to the physical CD.

Not true. The "physical CD" is property and all rights of ownership of the "physical CD" are assumed by the one who bought it. The actual music is "intellectual" property; that is what is retained by the musician and/or record label. I cannot do as I please with the "intellectual" property BUT I can do as I please with the "physical CD". I can skip it onto a lake, use it for decoration or burn it. By destroying a "physical CD", how do I affect the "intellectual" property on that CD? I do not nor can I affect it. I must say, though, it sure would be nice.

I think you best doublecheck that...if you destroy the CD, then you have compromised the intellectual property of the CD.

Nvertheless, I don't expect that we will see police come storming into the guy's home arresting him as they did in "Brazil" for hiring renegade Duct Repairmen.

Once again, you cannot destroy "intellectual" property by simply destroying the storage device of such "intellectual" property. If that was the case, we wouldn't be allowed to delete any intellectual property off our hard drives.

[WayneB]

"a line must be drawn..." ...perfect. You say that God is the One to do that. How? Through you? I guess you will be the one to do that for us? Or is it a Youth Pastor who "hears" from God? Or the Pope? Or your specific translation of the Bible? Or maybe the Wizard of Oz? Or John Hagee? Or Benny Hinn? Or George Bush? WHO?

Who in the world do you think you are? Do you think you can discern and disperse theMind of God to others? If not, then I recommend you leave the judging to God and stop advocating destruction.

I am nobody but I sure can tell the difference between good and evil. Problem comes when folks are unwilling to let go of those things that satisfy their fleshly lusts rather than embrace God's goodness.

What do you think drove those who had practiced sorcery in Acts 19 to destoy those scrolls that they once held in high regard but came to see the evil in it? Were they wrong? Here they were...repenting of their old ways and turning to a new life in Christ. Simply spoken...the old ways had no place in their new life.

Good for you!

Well, go ahead and destroy, I'm sure your fellow fascists will support you.

Name calling? Why are you so angry?

[FailedChristian]

"a line must be drawn..." ...perfect. You say that God is the One to do that. How? Through you? I guess you will be the one to do that for us? Or is it a Youth Pastor who "hears" from God? Or the Pope? Or your specific translation of the Bible? Or maybe the Wizard of Oz? Or John Hagee? Or Benny Hinn? Or George Bush? WHO?

Who in the world do you think you are? Do you think you can discern and disperse theMind of God to others? If not, then I recommend you leave the judging to God and stop advocating destruction.

I am nobody but I sure can tell the difference between good and evil. Problem comes when folks are unwilling to let go of those things that satisfy their fleshly lusts rather than embrace God's goodness.

What do you think drove those who had practiced sorcery in Acts 19 to destoy those scrolls that they once held in high regard but came to see the evil in it? Were they wrong? Here they were...repenting of their old ways and turning to a new life in Christ. Simply spoken...the old ways had no place in their new life.

Good for you!

Well, go ahead and destroy, I'm sure your fellow fascists will support you.

Name calling? Why are you so angry?

I'm only doing what you're doing...naming evil where I see it. In this case, the evil falls under an affront to Fredom of Speech..a typical bugaboo for fascists.

[apothanein kerdos]

FailedChristian,

I don't think they are advocating destroying all art. I think they are talking about destroying their own belongings because those things have influenced them in a wrong way. Who do you serve. If the Holy spirit asked you to lay down or give up a portion of your life-would you for his sake? Just wondering? I may have convictions for things I don't personally do because the Holy Spirit lead me that way. I would not force my convictions down your throat. So why are you Judging so harshly?

candi

I'm convinced that non-sequitors are a way of life here.

Ok, again, here we go:

1) I serve the Truth...and the One who holds that Truth, God.

2) The holy Spirit is a Counsellor, A Comforter and an Advisor...not a reigious extremist who wants "sacrifices" that include the sheddding of blood or thought.

3) I'm not the one judging...those who believe that certain CD's are "evil" have done that.

4) When a person advocates an action committed by the villains of history (destroying) in order to follow some hyper-religious, legalistic, extreme view, then I call it out into the Light of Reason, The Light of God.

5) The music on the CD's do not BELONG to them, the music belongs to the artist, or have you not been following trhe latest issues about downloaded music? You only buy the rights to the music temporarily. The artist retains all other rights. The Cd company retains all rights to the physical CD. You are licensing the product when you purchase the CD. Read about it. Look it up.

If you serve truth, why don't you actually respond to the article instead of using rhetoric?

[FailedChristian]

FailedChristian,

I don't think they are advocating destroying all art. I think they are talking about destroying their own belongings because those things have influenced them in a wrong way. Who do you serve. If the Holy spirit asked you to lay down or give up a portion of your life-would you for his sake? Just wondering? I may have convictions for things I don't personally do because the Holy Spirit lead me that way. I would not force my convictions down your throat. So why are you Judging so harshly?

candi

I'm convinced that non-sequitors are a way of life here.

Ok, again, here we go:

1) I serve the Truth...and the One who holds that Truth, God.

2) The holy Spirit is a Counsellor, A Comforter and an Advisor...not a reigious extremist who wants "sacrifices" that include the sheddding of blood or thought.

3) I'm not the one judging...those who believe that certain CD's are "evil" have done that.

4) When a person advocates an action committed by the villains of history (destroying) in order to follow some hyper-religious, legalistic, extreme view, then I call it out into the Light of Reason, The Light of God.

5) The music on the CD's do not BELONG to them, the music belongs to the artist, or have you not been following trhe latest issues about downloaded music? You only buy the rights to the music temporarily. The artist retains all other rights. The Cd company retains all rights to the physical CD. You are licensing the product when you purchase the CD. Read about it. Look it up.

If you serve truth, why don't you actually respond to the article instead of using rhetoric?

I DID respond...directly to each of the points poised. You just don't like the fact that you have no repsonse because you are acting out of hatred, rather than love.

Here's a response that might help:

I give you an example of an "evil" song that is against Christianity:

Imagine there's no Heaven

It's easy if you try

No hell below us

Above us only sky

Imagine all the people

Living for today

Imagine there's no countries

It isn't hard to do

Nothing to kill or die for

And no religion too

Imagine all the people

Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer

But I'm not the only one

I hope someday you'll join us

And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions

I wonder if you can

No need for greed or hunger

A brotherhood of man

Imagine all the people

Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer

But I'm not the only one

I hope someday you'll join us

And the world will live as one

We should DEFINITELY burn that CD if it's in any of our collections...