The "Sinners Prayer"

[Guest shadow2b]

OOOOOOOppppPPppppSSsssssssss----DRATT--WRONG GUY AGAIN!!!!!!!!----- :suspect: :suspect:

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: -----WeLLL one of-emS got ta be the RIGHT one--DoNT iT???

[tsth]

NOpe traveller has the REAL rolley eyed guy, cause she's kinda............oh ok, so maybe it's not just traveller, we're all kinda crazy round here.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Ovedya]

I'm going to throw a monkey wrench into this whole discussion. But please know that I do not believe the sinner's prayer to be un-Biblical. I think it's fine. But consider the following also:

The Bible does not prescribe a specific means of confession unto salvation. There are only two things a believer must do according to the Bible. One must believe into the Son, and one must confess with his mouth. The believing and confession go hand in hand. And the confession is not related to confessing one's sins. Take a look at Romans 10:9:

"That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

The confession here is not the confession mentioned in 1 John 1:9. The confession of sins in 1 John 1:9 is a confession of the regenerated believer. Now take a look at Romans 10:12-13:

"For there is no distiction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all and rich to all who call upon Him;

For 'whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved'."

The simple formula, if you want to call it that, to be saved is just that you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth. I believe that if a person believes that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and simply opens his mouth and says "Jesus is Lord!" Or even if he just says "Jesus!" Then he is genuinly regenerated.

Now, as to confession of sins, this will some as a natural consequence of being regenerated. The Bible says that without the law there is no knowledge of sin (Rom. 3:20; 7:7). So for a person to have a genuine confession before God, God must come into that person's heart, imparting the law of the Spirit of life (Rom. 8:1) and writing the law on his heart and mind (Which is naturally part of becoming a believer - Heb. 8:10; 10:16).

There is no other name in the universe which a person can call and be saved. Even Jesus' name means salvation. Jesus is the Greek form of Joshuah, which means "salvation of Jehovah." Jesus is salvation. When you call the name, you get the person.

I think that we complicate things a bit too much. When preaching the Gospel and bring a peson to the Lord we want to make sure that we do it right. So we include all these things into the prayer to insure that a person gets "genuinely saved." Yet I think this is a kind of mistrust of the Lord's ability to regenerate a person. All a person must do is believe and call. The confession and consecration to the Lord come as natural consequences of being regenerated.

[tsth]

I go back to what Jesus preached.

Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mark 6:7 And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;

6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest shadow2b]

  we're all kinda crazy round here.

YUSE MEAN I AIN'T-A LONE??--A-LOAN??--WE-UNs CUDD START A REV-O-LU-TI-On then HUHHH?????

hmmmmmmmm???? INTERESTING CoN-cEpT !!!---A cRa-ZZy- ReV o--Lu-tIoN???????

It'S PoS-Si-BuLL--------------------

[Guest Evangelist Dare]

"If we confess our sins He is faithful and jsut to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"..notice the word >>>IF<<

IF we confess our sins...then is He faithful and just to forgive out sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness..

I tell you nay except ye >>>repent<<<>>>ye shall all likewise perish<<<<<luke13

and the times of this ignorance God winked at and >>>..Commandeth ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT<<<<<

Jesus Christ Himself preached repent ye and beleive the Gospel...mark 1;15

peter preached repent and be converted.

paul preached repent and beleive on the lord Jesus Christ.

Sin CANNOT enter into God's Holy heaven....IT MUST BE UNDER THE BLOOD..

FOR GODLY SORROW WORKETH TO REPENTANCE TO SALVATION...

EVEN TH ELORD IN THE LORD'S PRAYER TAUGHT US TO ASK THE FATHER'S FORGIVENESS..FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US......

HANGING ON THE CROSS JESUS TAUGHT THE SAME THING...FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO..

IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS HE IS FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS....

FOR THOU O LORD ART GOOD AND READY TO FORGIVE, PLENTIOUS IN MERCY UNTO ALL THAT CALL UPON THEE...

GOD BLESS YOU BRETHREN......

UNTIL THE SHOUT THAT WILL SURELY TAKE US OUT,,,,Evang. dare

GOD BLESS . ...

[Ovedya]

Repentance is a matter of turning away from sin, and from the life of sin. Believing into the work of the cross of Christ is also an act of turning away from sin. A sinner can believe into Christ and have their sins washed away. That's the initial need of a sinner aside from having the life of God. remember that in the Old Testament a sacrifice had to be offered before their sins were covered. Also there were the two aspects of the Passover: The application of the blood and the eating of the lamb. The blood had to be applied before the passover lamb was eaten.

[Guest Evangelist Dare]

then brother i guess we could throw this scripture out.

if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Jesus set us examples of this in the Lord's prayer

and on the cross.

and like that scripture says...if we confess our sins ,he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins

confess means lord i am a sinner ...

And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Luk 11:3 Give us day by day our daily bread.

Luk 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

if we cant take the Lord's word , whose word can we take?

God bless....Until the shout that takes us out, evang. dare

[OneAccord]

then brother i guess we could throw this scripture out.

if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I think the confession referred to in this verse is an ongoing process as believers, not a one time confession unto salvation.

[OneAccord]

I'm going to throw a monkey wrench into this whole discussion. But please know that I do not believe the sinner's prayer to be un-Biblical. I think it's fine. But consider the following also:

The Bible does not prescribe a specific means of confession unto salvation. There are only two things a believer must do according to the Bible. One must believe into the Son, and one must confess with his mouth. The believing and confession go hand in hand. And the confession is not related to confessing one's sins. Take a look at Romans 10:9:

"That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

The confession here is not the confession mentioned in 1 John 1:9. The confession of sins in 1 John 1:9 is a confession of the regenerated believer. Now take a look at Romans 10:12-13:

"For there is no distiction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all and rich to all who call upon Him;

For 'whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved'."

The simple formula, if you want to call it that, to be saved is just that you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth. I believe that if a person believes that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and simply opens his mouth and says "Jesus is Lord!" Or even if he just says "Jesus!" Then he is genuinly regenerated.

Now, as to confession of sins, this will some as a natural consequence of being regenerated. The Bible says that without the law there is no knowledge of sin (Rom. 3:20; 7:7). So for a person to have a genuine confession before God, God must come into that person's heart, imparting the law of the Spirit of life (Rom. 8:1) and writing the law on his heart and mind (Which is naturally part of becoming a believer - Heb. 8:10; 10:16).

There is no other name in the universe which a person can call and be saved. Even Jesus' name means salvation. Jesus is the Greek form of Joshuah, which means "salvation of Jehovah." Jesus is salvation. When you call the name, you get the person.

I think that we complicate things a bit too much. When preaching the Gospel and bring a peson to the Lord we want to make sure that we do it right. So we include all these things into the prayer to insure that a person gets "genuinely saved." Yet I think this is a kind of mistrust of the Lord's ability to regenerate a person. All a person must do is believe and call. The confession and consecration to the Lord come as natural consequences of being regenerated.

God-man,

I think this is an awesome post!

JESUS IS LORD!!!!! AMEN!!!!