What is blasphemy? Is it unforgivable?

[Floatingaxe]

Well, if you stand there in front of me and do it, I can sure tell!

[st. Worm]

Well, if you stand there in front of me and do it, I can sure tell!

How???

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[Floatingaxe]

Well, if you stand there in front of me and do it, I can sure tell!

How???

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You think I am going to instruct you on how to commit a sin? Nay.

[shepherdsgrace]

I do not understand how anyone can say that a person can tell rather a sin is forgiveable or not. God's love covers the sinner. The sins of mankind are unspeakable and yet the blood of Jesus is strong enough to cover all the sins of makind. To sin against the Holy Spirit is something that only God can judge. I have seen people forgiven of sin that others called sinning against the HOly Spirit. Only God knows when a person has gone so far as to be sinning against the Holy Spirit unto condemnation. And as long as a person is questioning has he committed this sin which will not be forgiven then he surely has not committed it.

[shepherdsgrace]

This type of thing is referred to by Paul as searing your conscience. By repeating sin and constantly allowing it we teach our conscience to accept the sin.

Blasphemy is in particular referring to the use of words. Evil words. Railing would be another word for it. It is done purposely. Even for those who hear evil things in the mind there is still the ability to NOT say those things.

And the mind can be brought under control. It takes some doing. But absolutely we are the ones in control of our own minds. God gave us that freedom. We are the ones who open all the doors to demonic attack. I appreciated so much the testimony of the one who said that without help fom other people the person brought his mind under control. Satan has no rights or authority over us.

[Floatingaxe]

Actually all sin is unpardonable until repentance.

[Floatingaxe]

I believe that unconfessed sin stands in the way of a great relationship with God. We all will undoubtably have unconfessed sin when we stand before the Throne. We can't remember every single sin we have committed, but we do need to keep short accounts with God.

[Guest shiloh357]

What do you base your premise this sin can not be committed by Christians on? I Timothy tells us that Paul Blasphemed when he as an unbeliever, he was forgiven because he lacked knowledge of what he was doing. Had he done the same actions as a Christian, he would have been held accountable.

My premise is based upon the context in Scripture in which this sin must be examined. We can ONLY understand this sin in the way it is presented in Scripture. The Bible defines the parameters in Matt. 12:24-32, and Mar. 3:22-30.

1. It is never mentioned in connection with any other manifestation other than the casting out of demons.

2. There is no record in Scripture of a Christian committing this sin, and thus going to hell without possibility of forgiveness.

3. According to Mark, there are two ingredients to this Blasphemy: A. Accusing Jesus of being possessed by the Prince of Demons, AND B. Accusing Jesus of casting out Demons by the Power of Beelzebub.

4. We have not one single record of this sin occurring in Scripture outside of Jesus earthly ministry.

5. It is specifically limited to referring to "prince of demons."

What I see today is that if you challenge certain "manifestations," like tongues, healings, gold dust, "falling out" in the Spirit, and the like, you are immediately labeled as "blaspheming the Holy Spirit, and that is an unwarranted charge.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was rooted in unbelief, but it is a sin that is done with both eyes open. It is a sin that is a purposeful attempt to injure the Lord's reputation, and in the context of our discussion, the reputation of the Holy Spirit.

The Pharisees, I have come to believe may have known Jesus was operating under the power of the Holy Spirit, and it made them hate Him all the more. Even Nicodemus confided in Jesus that other members of the Sanhedrin knew that Jesus was operating in the power of God/Holy Spirit. That did not endear Jesus to them at all. Their blasphemy was not done in ignorance but in full knowledge of the truth. Jesus demonstrated that He was the Messiah, and it made them hate Him.

These leaders had posh conditions under Rome's thumb. They enjoyed the perks that being Roman puppets afforded them, and Jesus was upsetting everything. The LAST thing they wanted was a "Messiah." Their contempt for Jesus knew no boundaries that they drudged up the worst, most heinous accusations they could make.

I was listening to RC Sproul on the radio, and he was telling where the name "Beelzebub" came from. It actually the name of a god of ancient Phoenicia. This is gross, but the ancient Phonecians examined animal dung and saw the flies swirling around it, they thought the flies came from the dung itself. "Beel" means master or Lord and zebub comes from a word that means something like flying insect. Thus it means "Lord or Master of the flies." They saw animal dung as a god that created and ruled the flies.

By calling the Holy Spirit by that name, by referring to Him as the "prince of demons" and using a name that was once associated with god of the Phonecians which was nothing but animal refuse, once can see the depths to which they had sunk.

What person could commit that sin AND be a Christian???? It simply is not possible. It would require you to sink to an unimaginably low moral level. If someone could sink that low, it would out of necessity force anyone to question the authenticity of their original profession of faith. By the time you sunk to that level of contempt for the Lord, you would have already left the Lord long before arriving there. Thus, you would not be a Christian. A true Christian cannot, and would not seek to level injurious charges to stain and defame the Holy Spirit's reputation.

[Floatingaxe]

What do you base your premise this sin can not be committed by Christians on? I Timothy tells us that Paul Blasphemed when he as an unbeliever, he was forgiven because he lacked knowledge of what he was doing. Had he done the same actions as a Christian, he would have been held accountable.

My premise is based upon the context in Scripture in which this sin must be examined. We can ONLY understand this sin in the way it is presented in Scripture. The Bible defines the parameters in Matt. 12:24-32, and Mar. 3:22-30.

1. It is never mentioned in connection with any other manifestation other than the casting out of demons.

2. There is no record in Scripture of a Christian committing this sin, and thus going to hell without possibility of forgiveness.

3. According to Mark, there are two ingredients to this Blasphemy: A. Accusing Jesus of being possessed by the Prince of Demons, AND B. Accusing Jesus of casting out Demons by the Power of Beelzebub.

4. We have not one single record of this sin occurring in Scripture outside of Jesus earthly ministry.

5. It is specifically limited to referring to "prince of demons."

What I see today is that if you challenge certain "manifestations," like tongues, healings, gold dust, "falling out" in the Spirit, and the like, you are immediately labeled as "blaspheming the Holy Spirit, and that is an unwarranted charge.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was rooted in unbelief, but it is a sin that is done with both eyes open. It is a sin that is a purposeful attempt to injure the Lord's reputation, and in the context of our discussion, the reputation of the Holy Spirit.

The Pharisees, I have come to believe may have known Jesus was operating under the power of the Holy Spirit, and it made them hate Him all the more. Even Nicodemus confided in Jesus that other members of the Sanhedrin knew that Jesus was operating in the power of God/Holy Spirit. That did not endear Jesus to them at all. Their blasphemy was not done in ignorance but in full knowledge of the truth. Jesus demonstrated that He was the Messiah, and it made them hate Him.

These leaders had posh conditions under Rome's thumb. They enjoyed the perks that being Roman puppets afforded them, and Jesus was upsetting everything. The LAST thing they wanted was a "Messiah." Their contempt for Jesus knew no boundaries that they drudged up the worst, most heinous accusations they could make.

I was listening to RC Sproul on the radio, and he was telling where the name "Beelzebub" came from. It actually the name of a god of ancient Phoenicia. This is gross, but the ancient Phonecians examined animal dung and saw the flies swirling around it, they thought the flies came from the dung itself. "Beel" means master or Lord and zebub comes from a word that means something like flying insect. Thus it means "Lord or Master of the flies." They saw animal dung as a god that created and ruled the flies.

By calling the Holy Spirit by that name, by referring to Him as the "prince of demons" and using a name that was once associated with god of the Phonecians which was nothing but animal refuse, once can see the depths to which they had sunk.

What person could commit that sin AND be a Christian???? It simply is not possible. It would require you to sink to an unimaginably low moral level. If someone could sink that low, it would out of necessity force anyone to question the authenticity of their original profession of faith. By the time you sunk to that level of contempt for the Lord, you would have already left the Lord long before arriving there. Thus, you would not be a Christian. A true Christian cannot, and would not seek to level injurious charges to stain and defame the Holy Spirit's reputation.

Excellent!

[Guest shiloh357]

Motive is everything where "blasphemy" is concerned, and people are quick to throw that word around. Many who challenge manifestations of a supernatural nature, usually do so out of a desire to root out charlatans, and to protect the Lord from being reproached. Their aim is not to hurt the Lord. Do they always get it right? NO. There are genuine manifestations of the Spirit, and we need to be open to however the Lord is moving, but we also need to challenge and question/test what we see and hear. It is true that the critics of the supernatural can be way too heavy-handed at times, and they end up hurting feelings, but that is no excuse to lash out with charges of "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit."

There is also no call for denigrating and belittling those who do believe that Jesus still heals, and those who believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. There is no call for defaming those who believe in delieverance or being slain in the Spirit. There is room for both points of view, and we should be able to believe and operate in what we believe in peace and harmony.