Latter Rain/MSOG heresies in our pews?

[Floatingaxe]

Watch Trinity TV. "Apostles, Prophets & Prophetesses" tend to climb off the wall. The Holy Scriptures emphasis Twelve Apostles - not 212 - all appointed personally by Jesus Christ and all eye-witnesses of His glorious resurrection. Isn't it quite something in these latter times that so many Christian believers wish earnestly to be something other than what they are, something that accrues power to them - it's called "power-grab" - & it elevates them over & above their brothers & sisters in Christ Jesus?! "And all ye are brothers & sisters..." Windbaggery's definitely on the rise among our faith-healing charismatic friends, yes?

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Why should I watch Trinity TV? You seem to have it all.

[Arthur Durnan]

But the many who do, tend to emphasize & over-emphasize one particular gift above all others, speaking in a "heavenly gibberish" or a "divine mumbo-jumbo" which, the last time I checked it out, was listed dead-last by the Apostle Paul in the Early Church spiritual gift category. How do charismatics make last become first? How does lowest-priority in the divine order become the "cat's meow"? By a mighty inflammatory twist?

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[Floatingaxe]

But the many who do, tend to emphasize & over-emphasize one particular gift above all others, speaking in a "heavenly gibberish" or a "divine mumbo-jumbo" which, the last time I checked it out, was listed dead-last by the Apostle Paul in the Early Church spiritual gift category. How do charismatics make last become first? How does lowest-priority in the divine order become the "cat's meow"? By a mighty inflammatory twist?

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Why the derogatory terminology? Do you use the gift of tongues?

[Arthur Durnan]

The Sovereign God well understands English, French, Arabic, Hebrew, Greek or what have you. Why talk in unintelligible mish-mash? The charismatic's "unknown" bit appears nowhere in Holy Writ. Even God's angels spoke in known, understood, national & earthly dialects! Why might you be different?

P.S. And aren't the CFL's Tiger-Cats a national disgrace?

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[billie]

But the many who do, tend to emphasize & over-emphasize one particular gift above all others, speaking in a "heavenly gibberish" or a "divine mumbo-jumbo" which, the last time I checked it out, was listed dead-last by the Apostle Paul in the Early Church spiritual gift category. How do charismatics make last become first? How does lowest-priority in the divine order become the "cat's meow"? By a mighty inflammatory twist?

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Wasn't it Jesus who said the last shall be first?

All joking aside, tongues is a spiritual gift. It seems you have a very condescending attitude towards this gift. That isn't Biblical at all. We should respect every gift that our Heavenly Father gives us and cherish it. Paul said we'd all have different spiritual gifts, but that none are greater than the others. They all work together for the good of the Body, when they're used orderly and properly. If one speaks out in tongues in church, he says there should be one to give interpretation, or the speaking out has done nothing for the building up of the body. Paul and Peter both spoke in tongues. I'm wondering, why the seeming hostility toward this special gift that, when used properly, just like the rest of the gifts, are beneficial to the Body?

[Floatingaxe]

The Sovereign God well understands English, French, Arabic, Hebrew, Greek or what have you. Why talk in unintelligible mish-mash? The charismatic's "unknown" bit appears nowhere in Holy Writ. Even God's angels spoke in known, understood, national & earthly dialects! Why might you be different?

P.S. And aren't the CFL's Tiger-Cats a national disgrace?

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1 Corinthians 13:1

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.

PS: I hate football!

[billie]

The Sovereign God well understands English, French, Arabic, Hebrew, Greek or what have you. Why talk in unintelligible mish-mash? The charismatic's "unknown" bit appears nowhere in Holy Writ. Even God's angels spoke in known, understood, national & earthly dialects! Why might you be different?

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So....if only known languages should be spoken, why are we directed by Paul if no interpretation is offered, then the speaker should pray for the interpretation?

[Arthur Durnan]

That's an easy one. Simply because not everyone will understand the national, earthly language being spoken. The very word "unknown", which lies at the heart of all charismatic theology, appears NOWHERE in Holy Scripture. And, of course, you chose to overlook the vital point raised that God's angels NOWHERE spoke in languages UNKNOWN to their listeners. And, too, you chose to overlook my point that the charismatic emphasis & over-emphasis at all times drops down to the last-mentioned-of-all gift rather than earnestly considering and emphasizing the Apostle's stated biblical order. Very interesting.

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[Floatingaxe]

That's an easy one. Simply because not everyone will understand the national, earthly language being spoken. The very word "unknown", which lies at the heart of all charismatic theology, appears NOWHERE in Holy Scripture. And, of course, you chose to overlook the vital point raised that God's angels NOWHERE spoke in languages UNKNOWN to their listeners. And, too, you chose to overlook my point that the charismatic emphasis & over-emphasis at all times drops down to the last-mentioned-of-all gift rather than earnestly considering and emphasizing the Apostle's stated biblical order. Very interesting.

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I don't know about"charismatics" because I don't like labels much. But, as a Christian who speaks in tongues, I and all others that I know, do not elevate this gift above all others at all. In general, it is the most evident, but not the most important. We believe what the Word says about it.

[traveller]

Good topic! We need to remind ourselves of the dangers out there.

The problem with MSOG and LatterRain is that both movements take the focus off of Jesus and lift up self. Also, the focus is more on the Holy Spirit and having this power, when the Holy Spirit was sent to point to Jesus.

Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

These cults, along with all of them really, take bits and pieces of scripture and form doctrine around it, without taking it all in as a whole. Paul Cain, one of the founders of the LatterRain Movement, and Joels' Army, said...