Ask the nonbeliever

[cjrose]

-shock-

YOU COPIED MY THREAD!

HE DID!

Shame on him now we should send him to the "Plagiarism" post cuz he didn't even give you credit

lol, actually, if you read back a couple pages when I found out someone else had been doing a post very similar to this, I said that Ask An Atheist had reasonable ground to believe I stole (I really don't like that word) the idea from him . I offered no compensation, but one should also note that both myself and Ask An Atheist are two different people, so our ideas and opinions may differ.

Seriously, not surprised but at least you admit it. You should offer compensation if you agree you stole it

lol, i didn't agree that I stole it, I just said he had reasonable grounds to believe I did. In all honesty I wasn't even aware that he had already started a thread like this one, mostly because I only view the apologetics forum. Maybe I should browse the site more

Well I'm not surprised again as there are so many opinions and believe it or not we sometimes do think the same so I can see how that would happen. But if if were word for word or if you were sneaky and changed his wording around you do still owe him an apology but I seriously don't think that's the case. Post saying the same thing by one non believer and one athiest It's like one Christian saying Jesus is my Lord and Savior and another saying Jesus is my Lord and Savior and hey, you stole that from me! The difference is, we don't consider it stealing, we considerate a bond that ties us together as His children.

[lypse]

You started this thread to learn from others, tell me what have you learned from this thread?

I more or less started this thread just so people can ask questions and to get a glimpse of where I'm coming from and how I think. I wouldn't say I've learned anything in particular yet, but I do hope that I'll be able to learn from someone before this thread starts to die down.

[lypse]

Lypse,

You said

[Gerioke]

The only problem I see with this thread is most Christians were non-believers at some point in there life. What could a non-believer tell me that I don't already know?

[LadyGunivere]

I agree Ger its between God and the person's soul.....

[lypse]

Your internal desire for love is just one of many internal truths about God that reside within you.

How is it that my internal desire for love is an 'internal truth' about God? Why can't it be the internal truth about Vishnu? Or Shiva? Or Allah? Not to be disrespectful, but you have to realize that your God is as 'real' to me, as any other god in the world. Let's take a look at the internal truths about Allah.

Lypse,

There are a few truths that exist within the soul and heart of every human being. They are so simple that most people miss the simple truth behind them.

I will deal with one, less I muddy the water (and I tend to do that sometimes).

I am assuming for sake of argument that you do not believe that Allah is the one all consuming God, the creator of everything in the known universe.

I will also assume for sake of argument that you do not believe the Quran is the inspired word of Allah.

I am guessing that most believers have tried to prove to you that Allah exist by using external facts. I will only use internal facts. That is the internal truths that are in you as a person.

A truth that resides in every human being is the fact the people want to love and be loved. People need love. As they grow to adulthood the way they find love changes. But at the outset all human beings want to be loved and love.

Granted love means different things to you then it does to me or anyone else. How we feel loved is like a kaleidoscope, it changes as we turn the time of our life as we grow and mature.

In Quran 23:12-14 we read - Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators.

You may be saying,

[Nevin]

Forgive me Brother but you sound confused. You allude that you may be a hindu or a buddhit and you say that in a couple of replies back that it "could " be your God that was the creator are you confused. What really brought you to this site. Are you hoping you find the Peac of Christ. My Lord is the Jehovah Shalom and i pray that HE gives you clarity. No man or woman here will be able to change your heart but the Holy Spirit will. He loves you dearly.

[lypse]

The simple truth I shared with you about love in all mankind is absolute, always the same, that truth is one. Therefore if you were to say it comes from Allah and I were to say it comes from God we are at odds about the truth of love that I shared with you. Because one truth can only come from one source.

That's the thing though, who is the source the truth comes from? You can't expect me to assume it comes from your God. And for the record, I'm not an atheist, I'm more agnostic if anything.

[emeraldgirl]

I have developed and learned a very rare talent from God

[cjrose]

I have developed and learned a very rare talent from God