Remitting Sins

[pointer]

It is noce to have the writings of the Catholic Fathers

Indeed it is. They are proof positive of the fulfilment of the prophecies of Jesus, John, Jude, Peter and Paul regarding wolves in sheeps' clothing. And of course, those who call them true 'Fathers' conveniently identify themselves as blasphemers.

The remission of deadly sins normatively are confessed to the ordained men Christ Himself sent forth the Bishops and presbyters(priests,elders0 of the Church(catholic)

They are all dead, though. But it does not matter. Confession was always to God alone, from Abel onwards.

[Kansasdad]

I can find the verse that tells us Mary was full of Grace if you feel the need to challenge

Gabriel in Luke says only that Mary was favoured- or lucky, in secular terms.

'And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favoured one! The Lord is with you."' Luke 1:28-29 NASB

There is no necessary merit in being favoured; God sends His rain on the righteous and unrighteous. Ultimately, God has no favourites, and Mary had to repent or perish like everyone else must. No-one knows what her eternal fate will be.

There is only one way to God, and that is by the offence of the cross, and there are no soft and easy paths that allow human pride.

Wow talk about changing scripture to fit a theology.

Here is what the scriptures say.

Luke 1: 28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

And here the same phrase is used again discribing Jesus when he was formed in Mary, and became man to dwell on earth.

John 1: 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I don't think it would be correct to say Jesus was a favored one or lucky.

K.D.

[EricH]

I think there are many "legitimate" doctrines where evangelicals and Catholics find common ground and I think both groups would acknowledge this, i.e., the deity of Christ.

I would question that conclusion, since they pray to Mary and call her "queen of heaven" and "Mother of God".

mother of God is the appropriate description of Mary. That is unless you don't believe Jesus in the flesh was God.

sw

One would have to unpack what was meant by the term "mother of God". Mary did not give birth to Jesus diety in the sense that it did not exist before. Jesus was pre-existant to the incarnation and was always God

You cannot divide his deity from his humanity. He is and was 100% God and 100% man even in the womb. Mary is the bearer of God. A hard pill for you to swallow?

sw

So are you saying that Jesus did not exist as God before he was born of a virgin?

We believe in one God,

the Father, the Almighty,

maker of heaven and earth,

of all that is, seen and unseen.

[Kansasdad]

I can find the verse that tells us Mary was full of Grace if you feel the need to challenge

Gabriel in Luke says only that Mary was favoured- or lucky, in secular terms.

'And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favoured one! The Lord is with you."' Luke 1:28-29 NASB

There is no necessary merit in being favoured; God sends His rain on the righteous and unrighteous. Ultimately, God has no favourites, and Mary had to repent or perish like everyone else must. No-one knows what her eternal fate will be.

There is only one way to God, and that is by the offence of the cross, and there are no soft and easy paths that allow human pride.

Wow talk about changing scripture to fit a theology.

Here is what the scriptures say.

Luke 1: 28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

And here the same phrase is used again describing Jesus when he was formed in Mary, and became man to dwell on earth.

John 1: 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I don't think it would be correct to say Jesus was a favored one or lucky.

K.D.

Here is another question for you, why do some get so upset about the "Hail Mary" prayer when all it does is quote scripture. Why do people get so upset when people are quoting scripture in prayer. Here is the exact prayer, hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with the, blessed at thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of they womb Jesus.

Look at the two verses of scripture above and it is almost a word for word quote of the scriptures themselves. Why would scripture make so many "Christians" upset.

God Bless,

K.D.

[EricH]

Here is another question for you, why do some get so upset about the "Hail Mary" prayer when all it does is quote scripture. Why do people get so upset when people are quoting scripture in prayer. Here is the exact prayer, hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with the, blessed at thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of they womb Jesus.

Look at the two verses of scripture above and it is almost a word for word quote of the scriptures themselves. Why would scripture make so many "Christians" upset.

God Bless,

K.D.

K.D.

I don't think anyone is taking exception to any one reciting the passage. Where they take exception is offering it as a prayer. The passage in its original context was Elizabeth adressing Mary. There is no indication that this was intended to be prayed directly to Mary. Especially since we have no biblical examples of prayers being offered to anyone but God

[st. Worm]

I think there are many "legitimate" doctrines where evangelicals and Catholics find common ground and I think both groups would acknowledge this, i.e., the deity of Christ.

I would question that conclusion, since they pray to Mary and call her "queen of heaven" and "Mother of God".

mother of God is the appropriate description of Mary. That is unless you don't believe Jesus in the flesh was God.

sw

One would have to unpack what was meant by the term "mother of God". Mary did not give birth to Jesus diety in the sense that it did not exist before. Jesus was pre-existant to the incarnation and was always God

You cannot divide his deity from his humanity. He is and was 100% God and 100% man even in the womb. Mary is the bearer of God. A hard pill for you to swallow?

sw

So are you saying that Jesus did not exist as God before he was born of a virgin?

We believe in one God,

the Father, the Almighty,

maker of heaven and earth,

of all that is, seen and unseen.

[st. Worm]

I think there are many "legitimate" doctrines where evangelicals and Catholics find common ground and I think both groups would acknowledge this, i.e., the deity of Christ.

I would question that conclusion, since they pray to Mary and call her "queen of heaven" and "Mother of God".

mother of God is the appropriate description of Mary. That is unless you don't believe Jesus in the flesh was God.

sw

One would have to unpack what was meant by the term "mother of God". Mary did not give birth to Jesus diety in the sense that it did not exist before. Jesus was pre-existant to the incarnation and was always God

You cannot divide his deity from his humanity. He is and was 100% God and 100% man even in the womb. Mary is the bearer of God. A hard pill for you to swallow?

sw

So are you saying that Jesus did not exist as God before he was born of a virgin?

We believe in one God,

the Father, the Almighty,

maker of heaven and earth,

of all that is, seen and unseen.

[Openly Curious]

I can find the verse that tells us Mary was full of Grace if you feel the need to challenge

Gabriel in Luke says only that Mary was favoured- or lucky, in secular terms.

'And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favoured one! The Lord is with you."' Luke 1:28-29 NASB

There is no necessary merit in being favoured; God sends His rain on the righteous and unrighteous. Ultimately, God has no favourites, and Mary had to repent or perish like everyone else must. No-one knows what her eternal fate will be.

There is only one way to God, and that is by the offence of the cross, and there are no soft and easy paths that allow human pride.

Wow talk about changing scripture to fit a theology.

Here is what the scriptures say.

Luke 1: 28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

And here the same phrase is used again describing Jesus when he was formed in Mary, and became man to dwell on earth.

John 1: 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I don't think it would be correct to say Jesus was a favored one or lucky.

K.D.

Here is another question for you, why do some get so upset about the "Hail Mary" prayer when all it does is quote scripture. Why do people get so upset when people are quoting scripture in prayer. Here is the exact prayer, hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with the, blessed at thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of they womb Jesus.

Look at the two verses of scripture above and it is almost a word for word quote of the scriptures themselves. Why would scripture make so many "Christians" upset.

God Bless,

K.D.

Jesus himself taught his disciples how to pray and he used the Lord's prayer to teach them when they had asked of Jesus for Him to teach them how to pray.

It is biblical error to pray to Mary for Mary is not God she is blessed among women because she was a chosen vessel who was highly favored of God to carry the only begotten Son of God till His birth. And she is highly esteemed among women because she was and is the only woman ever to give birth still being a virgin it has never happened since that time nor will ever happen again. So this does not make her divine because of it. so to address our prayers and petitions to Mary is not biblically taught for us to do.

We are instructed to pray to the Father and make our request known and we are to pray in the name of Jesus as it was Jesus death on the cross that has given us access to the Heavenly Father.

The prayer you are referring I have heard it being chanted over and over again as I had went to the capitol and march against abortion once and they were there chanting this prayer over and over again like it was some magical prayer that was going to get God's attention and it want even if it does contain scriptures. For Mary has no divine power and she is no diety to pray or chant unto her is indeed error.

OC

[EricH]

I think there are many "legitimate" doctrines where evangelicals and Catholics find common ground and I think both groups would acknowledge this, i.e., the deity of Christ.

I would question that conclusion, since they pray to Mary and call her "queen of heaven" and "Mother of God".

mother of God is the appropriate description of Mary. That is unless you don't believe Jesus in the flesh was God.

sw

One would have to unpack what was meant by the term "mother of God". Mary did not give birth to Jesus diety in the sense that it did not exist before. Jesus was pre-existant to the incarnation and was always God

You cannot divide his deity from his humanity. He is and was 100% God and 100% man even in the womb. Mary is the bearer of God. A hard pill for you to swallow?

sw

So are you saying that Jesus did not exist as God before he was born of a virgin?

We believe in one God,

the Father, the Almighty,

maker of heaven and earth,

of all that is, seen and unseen.

[pointer]

I can find the verse that tells us Mary was full of Grace if you feel the need to challenge

Gabriel in Luke says only that Mary was favoured- or lucky, in secular terms.

'And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favoured one! The Lord is with you."' Luke 1:28-29 NASB

There is no necessary merit in being favoured; God sends His rain on the righteous and unrighteous. Ultimately, God has no favourites, and Mary had to repent or perish like everyone else must. No-one knows what her eternal fate will be.

There is only one way to God, and that is by the offence of the cross, and there are no soft and easy paths that allow human pride.

Here is what the scriptures say.

Luke 1: 28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

That is only what the 'KJ'V says- and the 'KJ'V is certainly not Scripture. This is the second occasion in a few days in which error has been taught in this forum on the basis of the 'KJ'V's rendition. Here is an accurate rendition of the Greek:

'And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favoured one! The Lord is with you."' Luke 1:28-29 NASB

That is not just my personal rendition, it is that of a highly respected, conservative translation. If you want to dispute it, you will need more resources than mere translations.

And here the same phrase is used again discribing Jesus when he was formed in Mary, and became man to dwell on earth.

John 1: 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I don't think it would be correct to say Jesus was a favored one or lucky.

Not lucky, no, but then your statement is erroneous. John does not use the same wording for Jesus as Luke does for Mary. Serious commentators do not use translations.

It might be added that the word 'hail' is ambiguous (a fact that sly Romanists take advantage of) and the KJV's rendition is a complete mess. It is no surprise that Roman Catholics have made so little complaint about a supposedly Protestant translation, and use it themselves on occasion!