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He was just a guy like Ghandi who spoke of brotherhood and loving one and other. Those are concepts even an atheist can grasp!
First of all Jesus Christ was not "just a guy", like Ghandi, or anyone else for that matter. He was the son of God, fully God and fully man, sent here in an attempt to unite mankind, not make us "Christians". Whether or not you choose to believe that will not change who and what He was JL. And yes, atheists do grasp the "concepts" you speak of (sarcasm), as clearly displayed in any number of violent scenarios raging across the globe. "No God...no peace" is what the result of not having faith in Christ brings to the world.

This whole idea of being "saved" is up to us..we can save ourselves!!
Yeah...good luck with that one. In the end your "salvation" will amount to nothing and will sadly work against you. Eternity is a long time to have to pay a consequence for our ego and pride telling us we know how to live better than God has shown us. God is infallible...man is not !!! You judge God by man's actions and beliefs, this is not correct.

You better be 100% sure you have the "right" answers here JL, because for every right answer there is definitely a wrong one. And if the one we choose is wrong.....???????????

I am absolutely confident in what I believe about Christ and His saving grace.

Are you that confident in your stance??? Really?? Are you???

[/quoteI don't claim to be always right..I'm human and I try and look at things as objectively as I can in this complex world. Ghandi was a very similar figure to Jesus in my opinion..both of these men united people.


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I do not buy into this fire and brimestone punishment for all those who are not Christians or maybe of other faiths that differ from yours. How arrogant to claim all other religions are false teachings and that only followers of Christ have the moral high ground! And other religious groups who take that stance against you are just as arrogant. I firmly believe terrorism has resulted from just this kind of fanatical mindset! And Jesus was just a guy and no more the son of God than you are...Christians are always claiming to be children of God,..Right? What's the difference?


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So if we're so arrogant, then what are you doing here? :)


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One of the songs that inspired me growing up was Imagine by John Lennon..it was a song that crystalized his vision for the world. Imagine no heaven...no hell below us..above us only sky. I think of the song as a benign view that he developed as a result of things he had read and derived from comparative religion theories of Joseph Campbell and the Beatles' visits with the Maharishi. The dream Lennon had of people living in peace and simply sharing the world is what the song implies as if religion had never existed in the first place. A common goal that I would hope most people generally seek. Religion has driven people apart and caused division and intolerance in the world and the search for God and truth seems to have been lost in the confusion. Imagine a world that got it right and never invented religion but lived in virtual harmony! Is'nt that was Jesus would have wanted for the world anyway?-He was just a guy like Ghandi who spoke of brotherhood and loving one and other. Those are concepts even an atheist can grasp! This whole idea of being "saved" is up to us..we can save ourselves!

We cannot save ourselves! We are only saved by faith in Christ, the One who took our punishment for our sin by dying a cruel, bloody death on a cross, and rose again on the third day so we can live forever.

Religion is bad, yes, and God hates religion. This world is in the shape it is in becuase of sin and man thinking he knows it all and that he can save himself! Wrong!


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One of the songs that inspired me growing up was Imagine by John Lennon..it was a song that crystalized his vision for the world. Imagine no heaven...no hell below us..above us only sky. I think of the song as a benign view that he developed as a result of things he had read and derived from comparative religion theories of Joseph Campbell and the Beatles' visits with the Maharishi. The dream Lennon had of people living in peace and simply sharing the world is what the song implies as if religion had never existed in the first place. A common goal that I would hope most people generally seek. Religion has driven people apart and caused division and intolerance in the world and the search for God and truth seems to have been lost in the confusion. Imagine a world that got it right and never invented religion but lived in virtual harmony! Is'nt that was Jesus would have wanted for the world anyway?-He was just a guy like Ghandi who spoke of brotherhood and loving one and other. Those are concepts even an atheist can grasp! This whole idea of being "saved" is up to us..we can save ourselves!

We cannot save ourselves! We are only saved by faith in Christ, the One who took our punishment for our sin by dying a cruel, bloody death on a cross, and rose again on the third day so we can live forever.

Religion is bad, yes, and God hates religion. This world is in the shape it is in becuase of sin and man thinking he knows it all and that he can save himself! Wrong!

Religion is only as bad as man makes it or as good.

Well, that's one thing we agree on , JL.

Religion is not a bad word. It's even used in the Bible in a positive way. Religion is merely the way we live out our beliefs.

Some define it as empty ritual, and, yeah, in that case it's not a good thing. But the Bible uses it both ways.

Not "More Jesus, less religion". Rather, "More Jesus in religion". ;)

When I say "religion", I mean the way I structure my beliefs, and apply them to my life and worship.

As for "Imagine"...it's a nice feel good tune, until you examine it closer. What Lennon describes will only be realized after Jesus returns to set up His reign over the new heaven and new earth.

I prefer "I Can Only Imagine" by Mercy Me. :emot-hug:

I can only imagine

What it will be like

When I walk

By your side

I can only imagine

What my eyes will see

When your face

Is before me

I can only imagine

[Chorus:]

Surrounded by Your glory, what will my heart feel

Will I dance for you Jesus or in awe of you be still

Will I stand in your presence or to my knees will I fall

Will I sing hallelujah, will I be able to speak at all

I can only imagine

I can only imagine

When that day comes

And I find myself

Standing in the Son

I can only imagine

When all I will do

Is forever

Forever worship You

I can only imagine

[Chorus]

I can only imagine [x2]

I can only imagine

When all I will do

Is forever, forever worship you

May God bless your search for truth,

Fiosh

:)


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I do not buy into this fire and brimestone punishment for all those who are not Christians or maybe of other faiths that differ from yours. How arrogant to claim all other religions are false teachings and that only followers of Christ have the moral high ground! And other religious groups who take that stance against you are just as arrogant.

It is only logical to take this stance.

Truth cannot contradict truth. If one person's religious text or ideas contradicts anothers, then at least one of them is wrong. Hinduism and Christianity cannot both be right, for example. Islam and christianity cannot both be right either, beccause Islam contradicts the Bible.

to believe in the true God is of necessity to the exclusion of all other notions of "god", and regardless of what form they may take.

We Christians believe in the God of the Bible, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! His Word excludes all other gods (which in reality are not gods at all.)

I firmly believe terrorism has resulted from just this kind of fanatical mindset!

Terrorism is the result of man's rejection of the one true God, and his Christ, namely Jesus. Terrorism is the result of man's rejection of the ten commandments. Terrorism is the result of people like you who believe anything, anything but the truth, that is.

And Jesus was just a guy and no more the son of God than you are...Christians are always claiming to be children of God,..Right? What's the difference?

Christians are children by adoption. Jesus was the only BEGOTTEN son of God, and indeed was and is God incarnate in the flesh. Huge difference.


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Terrorism is the result of the great Satan-America's rejection of the one true God..."Allah"! Such is the battle cry of Islamic zealots. And the comments you just posted sound just as self-righteous and potentially dangerous! And just because you would claim I'm a nonbeliever does not mean I would believe anything..such as one religion claiming to be the absolute truth. And to say Terrorism is a result of People like Me? Do you have any idea how inflammatory and fanatical you come across? You better look in the mirror before you judge your brothers and sisters Christian!!!


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Terrorism is the result of the great Satan-America's rejection of the one true God..."Allah"! Such is the battle cry of Islamic zealots. And the comments you just posted sound just as self-righteous and potentially dangerous! And just because you would claim I'm a nonbeliever does not mean I would believe anything..such as one religion claiming to be the absolute truth. And to say Terrorism is a result of People like Me? Do you have any idea how inflammatory and fanatical you come across? You better look in the mirror before you judge your brothers and sisters Christian!!!

OK Muslim... Your "god" teaches you to suffer not an infidel--rather kill him. Our God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob tells us to LOVE our enemies! I would much rather run into the arms of a loving Father God than a tyrannical, made-up idol like Allah (which is just nothing but imaginary and is powerless, of course!)


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Terrorism is the result of the great Satan-America's rejection of the one true God..."Allah"! Such is the battle cry of Islamic zealots. And the comments you just posted sound just as self-righteous and potentially dangerous! And just because you would claim I'm a nonbeliever does not mean I would believe anything..such as one religion claiming to be the absolute truth. And to say Terrorism is a result of People like Me? Do you have any idea how inflammatory and fanatical you come across? You better look in the mirror before you judge your brothers and sisters Christian!!!

OK Muslim... Your "god" teaches you to suffer not an infidel--rather kill him. Our God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob tells us to LOVE our enemies! I would much rather run into the arms of a loving Father God than a tyrannical, made-up idol like Allah (which is just nothing but imaginary and is powerless, of course!)

You better go back and read the post again floating axe! I'm not a muslim!!!...I was illustrating a point about muslim Terrorism against all other beliefs! You've twisted my comment, but then you're good at twisting things aren't you?

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Terrorism is the result of the great Satan-America's rejection of the one true God..."Allah"! Such is the battle cry of Islamic zealots. And the comments you just posted sound just as self-righteous and potentially dangerous! And just because you would claim I'm a nonbeliever does not mean I would believe anything..such as one religion claiming to be the absolute truth. And to say Terrorism is a result of People like Me? Do you have any idea how inflammatory and fanatical you come across? You better look in the mirror before you judge your brothers and sisters Christian!!!

OK Muslim... Your "god" teaches you to suffer not an infidel--rather kill him. Our God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob tells us to LOVE our enemies! I would much rather run into the arms of a loving Father God than a tyrannical, made-up idol like Allah (which is just nothing but imaginary and is powerless, of course!)

You better go back and read the post again floating axe! I'm not a muslim!!!...I was illustrating a point about muslim Terrorism against all other beliefs! You've twisted my comment, but then you're good at twisting things aren't you?

Actually, I am not guilty of twisting things much. However, I am glad that you deny that you are a muslim!

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