Biblical Marriage, Divorce and Remarriage...

[Smalcald]

What does repentance mean in this context? That is the concern.

If you continue in the sin with a hardness of our heart toward scripture, how does that show contrition, how does that show that you really believe it is sin? In this area it is often like we want to have it all and the fact is we can't, narrow is the path.

At the same time, I agree with Ladyc this is process and not some sort of unpardonable sin. Also we cannot know if someone is sorry or not. But we must offer advice, how sorry are you if you are committing adultery and basically are refusing to stop, yet still want forgiveness? But to me it is a matter of the heart.

[Guest LadyC]

Is this statement true or false? If a person is divorced and re-married, are they going to hell? Because that is what the OP is saying. Am I the only one who caught that? Is the above statement true?

no, you're not the only one who caught that. unfortunately, the OP isn't the only one to have expressed similar beliefs on WB... it's a rather common theme, which is why in my first reply to this thread i mentioned that it sounds like another 'divorce is the unforgivable sin' thread again.

suzanne, speaking of teaching the next generation, could i trouble you to go back and address the questions i asked of you after you mentioned that the first time? it's a few pages back, but i was looking for some clarification on what you meant, and what exactly we should be teaching them.

[tsth]

Is this statement true or false? If a person is divorced and re-married, are they going to hell? Because that is what the OP is saying. Am I the only one who caught that? Is the above statement true?

no, you're not the only one who caught that. unfortunately, the OP isn't the only one to have expressed similar beliefs on WB... it's a rather common theme, which is why in my first reply to this thread i mentioned that it sounds like another 'divorce is the unforgivable sin' thread again.

suzanne, speaking of teaching the next generation, could i trouble you to go back and address the questions i asked of you after you mentioned that the first time? it's a few pages back, but i was looking for some clarification on what you meant, and what exactly we should be teaching them.

Dear LadyC,

I'd be glad to answer your questions, but I'm sorry, I guess I missed that post, or probably just read it too fast. (Could you repost it? Or else, when I've got more time, I'll go and look for it. I'm on dial-up, so it takes me "years" to try and search out something page by page )

As far as teaching them, let me just start by asking the question:

Would you agree that in today's culture, divorce is highly acceptable and practiced?

(If you'd indulge me to begin with that question. thanks.)

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest LadyC]

yep, i'd totally agree that people take marriage to lightly, and go in with the attitude of "marriage isn't forever, i can leave when i quit loving". it's very disturbing.

i understand about the dialup.... i'll be happy to repost it, but it will be later this afternoon or maybe evening. i have company over today, and so i don't have much time!

[Smalcald]

Is this statement true or false? If a person is divorced and re-married, are they going to hell? Because that is what the OP is saying. Am I the only one who caught that? Is the above statement true?

no, you're not the only one who caught that. unfortunately, the OP isn't the only one to have expressed similar beliefs on WB... it's a rather common theme, which is why in my first reply to this thread i mentioned that it sounds like another 'divorce is the unforgivable sin' thread again.

suzanne, speaking of teaching the next generation, could i trouble you to go back and address the questions i asked of you after you mentioned that the first time? it's a few pages back, but i was looking for some clarification on what you meant, and what exactly we should be teaching them.

Just to clarify, and not for you LadyC, because I know you realize what I was saying, my question was rhetorical. There is only one unforgivable sin, and divorce ain't it folks:

Matthew 12:31-32 31 And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Pretty cut and dried.

Indeed it is.

I think my point was more of a warning about this matter in the form of assuring our hearts before God that we have faith. What I mean is that as a church we have a responsibility to point out sin not to judge nor condemn but to set people on the path and to lead them to true sorrow and repentance over their sins.

I don't think we warn or help anyone by accepting adultery, and not only accepting it but validating it. In personal view and I know I am veering off topic here, but if we as a church are going to marry people to conduct a service where promises are made to God and to each other and where we as a Church bless a union, we as a church should also give them permission to divorce or not, so they can be truly free.

[tsth]

I would like to look at some passages in regard to divorce.

Could someone tell me why Moses permitted them to divorce? I'm talking about Jesus' Words with regard to the reason. (I'm not talking about the reason of adultery) I'm talking about what Jesus told the Pharisee in regard to divorce being granted.

Main focus Matthew 19 and Jesus' Words regarding divorce.

Would like for someone to see the passages and post them.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[tsth]

I would like to look at some passages in regard to divorce.

Could someone tell me why Moses permitted them to divorce? I'm talking about Jesus' Words with regard to the reason. (I'm not talking about the reason of adultery) I'm talking about what Jesus told the Pharisee in regard to divorce being granted.

Main focus Matthew 19 and Jesus' Words regarding divorce.

Would like for someone to see the passages and post them.

In His Love,

Suzanne

Again, could you post the WORDS that JESUS used in Matthew 19.......when HE told them WHY Moses permitted divorce. Not YOUR words.

Thanks.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest LadyC]

FoC, i appreciate your passion on the subject, and while i agree with you in some aspects, i think you tend to take this to the extreme and ignore what scripture does say on the issue. for example,

There is NO scripture that deems remarriage as being 'in adultery'.

Adultery can be committed as an act when we remarry under certain circumstances, but the marriage is NOT declared as a 'state' of adultery, Im afraid. You are simply wrong.

the bible actually does state this. what the two sides fail to notice, however, is that if the person who divorced on unbiblical grounds has REPENTED, there is no more condemnation, his slate is wiped clean, and a subsequent marriage would not be adulterous.

not everyone repents of the sin of divorce. in fact it's safe to say that a great many do not.

[Guest LadyC]

why didn't i post the scripture? because others have done so already, only with their own slant to it. it isn't necessary to repeat what has already been posted. i pointed out what was critical for all to understand. since you seem so well versed on scripture, you should know it by heart. but if you don't, feel free to scroll back through this thread and find it where others have posted it.

[FighterforJC]

I agree with you 100%. But still, you can't remarry until the guy's dead.

Wrong.

The crime you all complain about is 'adultery'.

Adultery is NOt committed where the former spouse was put away for fornication.

So you are in error.

Uhm, no. YOU are in error, thank you. You obviously are a liberal/feminist, but it's okay, to each his own, I suppose. YOU are the moral center. Have a nice day!