Total Depravity

[Guest mcm42]

At any rate... How does this (Job Passage) prove whether or not something is forced?

[tsth]

Grace is revealed and given, but not forced! One is given the message and gift of salvation, yet still is held accountable for the acceptance part.

Job 34:31 Surely it is meet to be said unto God, I have borne chastisement, I will not offend any more: 32 That which I see not teach thou me: if I have done iniquity, I will do no more. 33 Should it be according to thy mind? he will recompense it, whether thou refuse, or whether thou choose; and not I: therefore speak what thou knowest.

At any rate... How does this (Job Passage) prove whether or not something is forced?

It proves quite the opposite........that the Lord Jesus gave us Truth, via His Holy Spirit, through grace and faith. Yet we still have the option to reject it. Salvation and belief is rejectable, via disobedience.

It is still about whether or not we choose to take hold of this power of Grace now made available to us through the Blood of Jesus Christ.

The choice is ours to make, He does not force the issue.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest mcm42]

I only question this on the basis of Total Depravity.

Meaning, if left to ourselves we would never choose christ, we all need the Spirit to bring us to Christ.

"there is none who seek after God" (please forgive my lack of references for now, again I'm not able to have a Bible in front of me...

None righteous no not one...

So when given the choice, sinful man rejects God. Unless we are given the choice with the spirit's guidance are we ever capable of choosing Christ. That is why I believe it must be an sovereign act, and not man's choice.

Thanks for responding... Be overjoyed at this, you've encouraged me to study the Book of Job!

[tsth]

Thanks for responding... Be overjoyed at this, you've encouraged me to study the Book of Job! 

That is wonderful! I would encourage you to pay specific attention to Elihu, and his purpose.......it is very significant and revealing of what the Father requires of His children in regard to dealing with each other. If you notice at the end of the Book, there is something very significant about Elihu. I really appreciated the Book of Job much more, after I received what the Word revealed to me about Elihu, it gave me a whole new perspective on that Book.

By the way his name means:

Elihu = "He is my God"

I hope that the Spirit reveals wonderful things to you!

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest mcm42]

Romans 5:18-19

"Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. FOr as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners so by the one mans obedience the many will be made righteous."

Just a verse explaining total depravity

[Work in Progress]

Meaning, if left to ourselves we would never choose christ, we all need the Spirit to bring us to Christ.

Exactly. Why eight pages are needed to talk about the fact that "dead" means

"D-E-A-D" is beyond me.

[tsth]

I'm curious, then what do you glean from the exchange between Elihu and Job? What purpose or teaching does it serve?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest mcm42]

honestly I don't know right now... please allow me some time, say the weekend, to study the book, agian this will not do justice to the entire book but I will take some time to study the chapters of Elihu.. I honestly did not realize this character existed in Job. Which is sad because I took a class on an overview of this and do not remember this character. However, i was working full time and going to school full time so that may explain why I missed it.

At any rate I may post my study on this board or on a totally new board by the name of Elihu, either way I'll let you know.

[tsth]

Thanks for your response mcm.

I do hope it is edifying to you.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[His son]

I would suggest to all posters that you go to MSN.com opening page scroll down to the place in the center collumn where the 4 wounded Vets from Iraq tell their story before you make any decisions about who or what you will vote for in this election. The news media haven't got the guts to put these testimonies on their programs, because they don't want The Truth getting out their before the polls open.